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Common translation error witness encounter
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1. Common translation error witness encounter
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2. Dunning-Kruger effect
In general, the Dunning-Kruger effect is that there a systematic trend where people with lower ability in a specific area tend to overestimate their actual ability. Likewise, someone with a higher ability often tends to underestimate their actual ability. This specific idea is from 1999 by David Dunning and Justin Kruger.

The original study was based on logical reasoning and grammar (and social skills).

One might say that they do not know what they do not know. [Dilbert cartoon] [Microsoft expert question]

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3. Common translation error witness encounter
Borromean RingsHere is a very common pattern that A might encounter when witnessing about the Bible "truth" to B who considers them-self a faithful believer of the Bible.
From this interaction, one can conclude the following about B (who is usually well-meaning). One conclusion: B is using their own opinion, in the guise of logical reasoning, to promote their belief to others.

One goal of this content is to go through the logic and reasoning needed to put faithful belief in the Bible on a logical and rational foundation - rather than on an opinion foundation posing as logic and reason.

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4. Aristotle: Opinion and knowledge
English: These considerations make it clear that it is impossible to have opinion and knowledge at the same time about the same object; otherwise one would apprehend that the same thing both could and could not be otherwise. (Loeb#391, p. 171)
Greek: Φανερὸν δ' ἐκ τούτων ὅτι οὐδὲ δοξάζειν ἅμα τὸ αὐτὸ καὶ ἐπίστασθαι ἐνδέχεται.ἅμα γὰρ ἂν ἔχοι ὑπόληψιν τοῦ ἄλλως ἔχειν καὶ μὴ ἄλλως τὸ αὐτό· Aristotle: Posterior Analytics [89a]
One destroys an opinion posing as knowledge by pointing out reality, invalid logic, assumptions, etc. If a model explains some, but not all, phenomena, one cannot discredit the model by pointing out what it does not explain. One really needs to come up with a better model. Example: Is a model an opinion? Is quantum mechanics an opinion?

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5. Truth and logic and reason
Over the years, I have heard many supposed logical reasons why the Bible is true. They all fail except for one, one that is rarely used. These logical reasons originate with some author, commentator, etc., and are then repeated as valid until many believe in the truth of the reasoning.

These invalid arguments invariable have the following form, called begging the question or assuming the conclusion. One example of this reasoning is the liar, lunatic or Lord reasoning.

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6. Trilemma: Step 4
Trilemma 4
Trilemma: The colors red, green and blue are mutually exclusive and collectively exhaustive.
You can now prove to yourself that Jesus is blue. Can you see anything in this logical argument that may cause you to question the logic?

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7. Truth
Almost all authors, even popular Christian authors and apologists (meaning I could find no exceptions) do not define truth but talk around it without any formal definitions.

The best I could find so far is the exhaustive book of Josh McDowell which provides a few sentences here and there, without precise definitions, of truth.

There are three levels of truth. Aristotle covers these level in great detail in various ways.

8. John 14:6 Way truth and life
John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. [kjv]
λεγει αυτω ιησους εγω ειμι η οδος και η αληθεια και η ζωη ουδεις ερχεται προς τον πατερα ει μη δι εμου [gnt]
viaveritasvita … [v]

Levels of truth Way Truth Life
Jesus is the "way", "truth" and "life".
In Latin, these three words start with "v": "via", "veritas" and "vita". The Greek and Hebrew words for "truth" have to do with "reality" and not "logic" or "opinion". Thus, Jesus is the "way" (opinion as in glory), the "truth" (reality as in science) and the "life" (logic as in information).

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9. John 14:6

   John 14:6 
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KJV: Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Greek: λεγει αυτω ο ιησους εγω ειμι η οδος και η αληθεια και η ζωη ουδεις ερχεται προς τον πατερα ει μη δι εμου
Latin: dicit ei Iesus ego sum via et veritas et vita nemo venit ad Patrem nisi per me

10. Reasoning methods
Levels 4
Three reasoning methods the following.
The reasoning of abduction appears to be, as a "bait" and "switch", a way to slide in another reasoning method. It is justified using methods already present in sophisticated deduction and induction. That is, probability and statistical methods to make the best inference/deduction (e.g., Bayesian analysis, Min-Max in game theory, etc.). As a result of adding abduction as a reasoning method, opinions can be constructed, even when those opinions do not fit logic nor reality well, and the resulting reasoning process called abduction.

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11. Facts and truth

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Note that when a group deception is based on empty opinion and/or invalid logic, and not logic nor reality, using logic or reality (e.g., facts) will tend to result in no change to the opinion of the group.
When Paul, as he often does, points this out, questionable translations carefully obscure what he is saying.

[Bible is not a logic system]

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12. Truth
Both the Greek word for "truth", used by Jesus, and the Hebrew word for "truth", are based in the idea of reality (truth).

Logical truth is symbol manipulation to arrive at a conclusion based on premises. Logical truth has no (direct) connection with reality. To provide a connection, one must provide a model of reality and an interpretation between the logic and reality.

13. Greek truth as reality
John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free. [kjv]
και γνωσεσθε την αληθειαν και η αληθεια ελευθερωσει υμας [gnt]

Levels of truthJesus is the "truth" as in the "reality". The Greek word for "truth" means, literally, "not nothing" or "not oblivion" or "not forgotten". Thus, "truth" is "reality" and not logic nor opinion.

14. Hebrew truth as reality
Genesis 2:3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. [kjv]
אלהיםבראאלהיםלעשות [he]

In Genesis 2:3, the end of the verse says that God rested from his work which "God created and made". This is the basis for the Hebrew word for truth which, like the Greek word for truth, «αλήθεια», has to do with the reality of our world.

Levels of truth
The Hebrew word for truth, "אמת" has the first letter of the Hebrew alphabet at the beginning, the middle letter near the middle, and the last letter at the end.


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15. Acrostic
"אמת" (emet) ≈ "truth"
"לעשות" (la-a-so-wt) ≈ "created, made"
"אלהים" (el-o-him) ≈ "God, Elohim"
"ברא" (bra) ≈ "made, created"
Taking the last letter of the three words as an acrostic, and making a new Hebrew word, one gets the Hebrew word "אמת" which means "truth". אמת - truth
If the first letter of the Hebrew word for truth is removed, the resulting word is "dead" (noun) or "dying" or "diseased" (adjective).

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16. Logic
Logical truth has no (direct) connection with reality. An extreme form of logic is that of the design and implementation of computer programs.

To make a connection of logic to reality a model and interpretation is needed.

17. David Hilbert
David Hilbert (German mathematician) was an influential German mathematician. In 1928, he proposed finding a consistent mathematical system that will allow all possible truths to be decided. This would allow the automatic, or mechanical, proving of all possible mathematical truths. In 1931, Gödel proved that this could not be done.
Hilbert started the separation of mathematics from philosophers (opinion truth) and reality truth. Today, (pure) mathematics is a logical truth consisting of symbol manipulation with no direct connection with reality truth or opinion truth.

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18. A digital world
We live in a digital world of 0 and 1, no and yes, off and on, quantum mechanics, etc.: ways of representing "information" (and "randomness").
0111011011001100101000000010011001010101001101000111101001000011 0010110101101010000011100100110100101111100000100001100010011110 0010001011110001001010110110010101101000010110111101001100000010 0100111000110111000011010100011111111010101111000010001100111010 1111000010010010101100101011110101101011001010001110110111000110 0000010101101010101010011010010111000111110110110100010001100110 1001100101100000101011100110000010101111010101000000011101000010 0100000111111010001011111001000100110110110110001011010010111001



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19. Values
How many values, or results, are there of a logical truth expressed as a logical expression?

Most people would say there are two. Those are true and false.

For simple logic (e.g., propositional logic) this is sufficient and correct.

Note that the two values or symbols can be any two symbols as long as they are identifiable and not the same.

20. Implication
Assume, logically, that A implies B.

The following are true: The following are then not true (except for a very small number of cases that happen to be true): Someone who has been taught that if there are errors in the Bible then the Bible is not true has fallen victim to the fact check fallacy. That is, the conclusion can still be true in the presence of invalid logic.

21. Logical inference groups
The following are all equivalent.
A implies B modens ponens
B if A (top down)
(not B) or A
(not B) implies (not A) modens tollens
A or (not B)
True
The two tables are symmetric. Which one is true? The other one is then false.

If the above are true, then the following are not true or false.

The following are all equivalent.
B implies A converse error
A if B (top down)
(not A) or B
(not A) implies (not B) fact check fallacy
B or (not A)
False
There are a terrible lot of lies going about the world, and the worst of it is that half of them are true. Winston Churchill.
Note that if the bottom table is true, then the top table is not true or false. To see this requires algebraic substitution of names for other names (as in a code). This is part of the programming process in computer science, software engineering, etc.

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22. Matthew 24:22 Variable operands and operators
Matthew 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. [kjv]
και ει μη εκολοβωθησαν αι ημεραι εκειναι ουκ αν εσωθη πασα σαρξ δια δε τους εκλεκτους κολοβωθησονται αι ημεραι εκειναι [gnt]

Variable operands for the verse
X  εκολοβωθησαν αι ημεραι εκειναι  those days be shortened
X  κολοβωθησονται αι ημεραι εκειναι  those days be shortened
Y  εσωθη πασα σαρξ  saved all flesh
E  δια (τους) εκλεκτους  by the elect

Connective operators for the verse
if not  ει μη  if not
if not  ουκ αν  if not
but by  δια δε  through but
To support the idea of a good "elect". the Greek for "by" or "through" was changed (reversed) to "for".

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23. Matthew 24:22 Abstracted logic
Matthew 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. [kjv]

Let X be "those days/parts be shortened or cut off", Y be "flesh saved", E be "elect". In three verses, Jesus will remind us that he had told us this before.

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24. Matthew 24:22 Paraphrase
Matthew 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. [kjv]
και ει μη εκολοβωθησαν αι ημεραι εκειναι ουκ αν εσωθη πασα σαρξ δια δε τους εκλεκτους κολοβωθησονται αι ημεραι εκειναι [gnt]

Paraphrase using the above logic: And if those days [parts there yes] were not cut off (horns/rules removed) no flesh would be saved, but though the (deceived) elect's (false) ideas, those days [parts there yes] will be cut off (horns/rules removed) in order to (invalid logic) save all flesh. Discuss: Has it ever happened that false teachers want to "cut off" all horns/rules/parts in order that all "flesh" might be "saved"? Does it help fill the pews (or their own salary)?

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25. Models and reality
Model 4A model is an abstraction (interpretation) of reality that can be used for prediction and/or understanding.
In the math phase, negative numbers, infinities, etc., can be used to make the math work. Problems arise when trying to inverse map resulting negative numbers, infinities, etc., into the real world or reality. A model is a useful fiction. Some would try to declare a model guilty by pointing out places where the model does not fit. To paraphrase from a legal case: If the model fits, you must acquit!

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26. Model build

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To discredit an opinion, one can find errors in the opinion. The same does not work well with a model. If a model does explain all phenomena sufficiently well, one needs to find a better model that handles those phenomena.
In desperation, those tied to opinion may question whether a model exists to explain the phenomena (even when presented with a model).

Note that some, such as flat earthers, may not accept any model but rely primarily on their opinion.

Those who believes in a flat earth have nothing to fear but sphere itself!

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27. Inerrancy progression

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Two people can see the same thing in different ways. Sometimes both are true in some sense.

Jesus say he is the way, truth (reality) and the life.


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28. Comparison
For the sake of argument, assume that there is a Creator God. Why then does the Bible, as a digital message, need to have no errors?

29. Analogy
Someone might say: I would not use a Bible that has errors in it. I might as well throw it out.

Your body, that God made, is filled with DNA and other digital errors. Why do you continue to live in it?

30. Values
For non-simple logic (e.g., predicate logic) there are three values that can result. When one requires a yes-no or true-false answer from a question and does not allow a bottom value, strange logical reasoning results. Aristotle called this Sophistic (clever, cunning) reasoning.

Note: Programming languages and database systems use a value called null to represent the bottom value.

31. Email analogy
Suppose an email message (Bible) arrives that claims to be from your boss (God).

You find some spelling and grammer errers, but can still understand the message. Due to inerrancy considerations, you might reason as follows. Does it matter? Is the authentication more important than any spelling or grammar mistakes in the message?

Discuss: Why do some people spend more time arguing about spelling and grammer errers and fixing them than in actually doing what the message says to do?

[spoofing, man in the middle attack, Shannon, Hamming]

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32. Three errors puzzle
Errors
What is not there may be important?

Consider this self-referential sentence that has real issues. First, find them. Then ask yourself the following question. How easy is it to fix them?

[basketball story]

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33. Option buttons and check boxes
In user interface design, option or radio buttons allow one choice from a set of selections whereas check boxes allow each selection to be either checked or not checked.

Logical situations
False dilemma
(pick only one)
Not false dilemma
(pick all that apply)
• this ☐ this
• that ☐ that
☐ something else
Summary
• option button ☐ check box
select only one select or not select
The legal process often forces false dilemma situations, sometimes to create perjury traps. Shades of gray?

Is it white or black? Pick one.
  • White - you are lying.
  • Black - you are lying.

See how this works. Aristotle called this reasoning (and many other types of reasoning) Sophistic reasoning.


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34. Brainwashing
One way to look at brainwashing (and related ideas) is that it is a false dilemma where only one option is provided.

Discuss: Suppose a Biblical passage (verse or verses) has more than one possible meaning but only one meaning is provided in a translation. How does this compare with brainwashing?

How does the translator know they are correct?

Security issue (often called Schneier's Law): Thinking that because you cannot break a code you created, no one else can. Schneier quote: Anyone, from the most clueless amateur to the best cryptographer, can create an algorithm that he himself can't break. Charles Babbage, designer of the first programmable computer in, wrote in 1864 about the "strong conviction" people have that they can create an unbreakable cipher.

[Enigma]

35. Programming language domain theory
Fruit Trees

Consider the Russell Paradox. Are each of the following contradiction in terms? Can they actually exist?

36. Good and raca
Trees


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