- *G2812 *16 κλέπτης (klep'-tace) : from G2813; a stealer (literally or figuratively):--thief. Compare G3027.
- κλεπτης *12
- Matthew 24:43 ... in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and ...
- Luke 12:33 ... that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth.
- Luke 12:39 ... had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and ...
- John 10:1 ... some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.
- John 10:10 The thief cometh not, but for to steal, ...
- John 12:6 ... but because he was a thief, and had the bag, ...
- 1 Thessalonians 5:2 ... so cometh as a thief in the night.
- 1 Thessalonians 5:4 ... should overtake you as a thief.
- 1 Peter 4:15 ... as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or ...
- 2 Peter 3:10 ... of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in ...
- Revelation 3:3 ... on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know ...
- Revelation 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, ...
- κλεπται *4
- Matthew 6:19 ... doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:
- Matthew 6:20 ... doth corrupt, and where thieves do not break through ...
- John 10:8 ... before me are thieves and robbers: but ...
- 1 Corinthians 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, ...
24. Matthew 24:43 Householder
Matthew 24:43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. [kjv]
εκεινο δε γινωσκετε οτι ει ηδει ο οικοδεσποτης ποια φυλακη ο κλεπτης ερχεται εγρηγορησεν αν και ουκ αν ειασεν διορυχθηναι την οικιαν αυτου [gnt]
Unlike some other verses that use "
as" for an
analogy, there is
no "
as" in this verse. Can Jesus or God be called a
"thief" or
"deceitful person"? The ancient Greek word
"κλέπτης" ≈ "thief, deceitful person" as in the first part of the English word
"kleptomaniac".
"ὀρύσσω" ≈ "dig" and "διορύσσω" ≈ "dig a canal/tunnel".
"φυλακή" ≈ "watch, prison" and, as used by Jesus, the "sanctuary" and/or "altar".
In all of the first
six times in Matthew that Jesus uses the word translated
"householder" it appears to clearly refer to Jesus as God. Jesus uses words consistently. Humans, however, tend to change the meaning based on their personal opinion.
How does the meaning of this verse change if
"householder" is not translated as the popular and traditional opinion of a "
believer" running his own
"house" and, instead, is interpreted as meaning Jesus as God? Does this conflict with any long-held beliefs.
25. Matthew 6:19 Play on words
Matthew 6:19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust doth corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal: [kjv]
μη θησαυριζετε υμιν θησαυρους επι της γης οπου σης και βρωσις αφανιζει και οπου κλεπται διορυσσουσιν και κλεπτουσιν [gnt]
The "
lay not up" relates to "
myth serpent", where the made-up "
serpentize" might be similar to the made-up "
tennising".
The "
moth and rust doth corrupt" is that of "
you and your food disappears" (becomes invisible). The
"break through" is that of
"dig in" as to a "
crypt" or "
hidden place" or in
"digging" a "
canal" (Aristotle).
Play- on-word paraphrase:
It is a myth that through a serpent you can treasurize your treasure here on the earth where you and your food disappear and clever deceptive thieves dig a channel and steal (take away something or bring in something to achieve their deceptive goals). [think Trojan Horse]
26. Matthew 24:42-44
Matthew 24:42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. [kjv]
γρηγορειτε ουν οτι ουκ οιδατε ποια ημερα ο κυριος υμων ερχεται [gnt]
24:43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. [kjv]
εκεινο δε γινωσκετε οτι ει ηδει ο οικοδεσποτης ποια φυλακη ο κλεπτης ερχεται εγρηγορησεν αν και ουκ αν ειασεν διορυχθηναι την οικιαν αυτου [gnt]
24:44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh. [kjv]
δια τουτο και υμεις γινεσθε ετοιμοι οτι η ου δοκειτε ωρα ο υιος του ανθρωπου ερχεται [gnt]
Unlike some other verses that use "
as" for an
analogy, there is
no "
as" in this verse. Can Jesus or God be called a
"thief" or
"deceitful person"? Does Jesus
"tunnel" into the
"house" as a
"thief"?
How do verses 42 and 44 relate to verse 43? Are any of them distractors?
In Matthew 24:42, the TR changes "day" to "hour".
In Matthew 24:43, Jesus does not use "day" nor "hour" (which have special meaning). Rather, he uses "watch" which could be a time of the night, a prison (in context), there is a better Greek word for prison, or, as often used by Jesus, the sanctuary used by the religious elite to oppress the believers.
27. Matthew 24:43 Householder
Matthew 24:43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. [kjv]
Does the revised meaning of this verse fit in with Jesus, and possibly God, not knowing the
"day" nor the
"hour"?
How can the "householder" not know something?
How can the "householder" not know the "day" and the "hour"?
To
cherry pick this verse about the
"day" and
"hour" , one must go back
seven verses. Note that Jesus does not use the word
"hour" here but, instead, uses the word
"watch" which he uses to refer to the
"prison" or
"watch" of the "
sanctuary" of the "
birds". You will not get out until you have paid the last farthing (which will never happen).
[security: honey pot]
28. Matthew 24:43 Thought experiment
Matthew 24:43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. [kjv]
Consider the following as a thought experiment.
Are there things that are not known by God? Does God at times ignore what is happening?
Does this relate at all to the limits (undecidability, etc.) of computation?
If something were to not known by God, how might God create a set of decision procedures to determine sufficiently well what is to be determined?
Consider data science (digital domain), chemistry (physical domain), etc. How can one probabilistically improve the quality of the data, solution, etc.?
data scrubbing (data science)
multiple stages of purification (chemistry)
Some of the words used in this verse are related to the treasure verses in the Sermon on the Mount.
Discuss: What implications do the above ideas have for the idea of
free will and/or
predestination?
[science and statistics, information and self-reference]
29. Matthew 24:48-51 Day and night
30. Matthew 24:50
Matthew 24:50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, [kjv]
ηξει ο κυριος του δουλου εκεινου εν ημερα η ου προσδοκα και εν ωρα η ου γινωσκει [gnt]
Who is the "
lord" of
"that" "
servant"?
The ancient Greek word
"ἥκω" ≈ "come, be present, reach a point". As written,
"ηξει" ≈ "shall come, shall be present, shall reach a point".
The ancient Greek word
"προσδοκάω" ≈ "think, suppose, look for (expect, accusative)".
The ancient Greek word
"γινώσκω" ≈ "know, understand" and is related to the English word
"know".
31. Matthew 24:50 Table and comments
Matthew 24:50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, [kjv]
ηξει ο κυριος του δουλου εκεινου εν ημερα η ου προσδοκα και εν ωρα η ου γινωσκει [gnt]
The Greek word translated as
"that" can be a play on words (by adding a
space) to
"there" "(of) mind".
| day |
ημερα |
ου προσδοκα |
not thinking/supposing |
opinion |
| hour |
ωρα |
ου γινωσκει |
not knowing/understanding |
logic |
For
"day" or
"hour", is it distraction, ignorance, deception by others, self-deception, something else, etc.?
To address this
"coming" or
"presence", is it more of a
physical/
concrete issue of the
body (as in just watching) or more of a
mental/
abstract issue of the
mind (including deception and self-deception)? Explain.
32. 1 Thessalonians 5:2-4 Thieves
33. Householder in the other Gospels
The word
"householder" or
"goodman of the house" is used
once in
Mark and
four times in
Luke. Some refer to the same stories as in Matthew. Some do not.
34. Compare Matthew and Luke
Matthew 24:43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. [kjv]
εκεινο δε γινωσκετε οτι ει ηδει ο οικοδεσποτης ποια φυλακη ο κλεπτης ερχεται εγρηγορησεν αν και ουκ αν ειασεν διορυχθηναι την οικιαν αυτου [gnt]
Luke 12:39 And this know, that if the goodman of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched, and not have suffered his house to be broken through. [kjv]
τουτο δε γινωσκετε οτι ει ηδει ο οικοδεσποτης ποια ωρα ο κλεπτης ερχεται εγρηγορησεν αν και ουκ αφηκεν διορυχθηναι τον οικον αυτου [gnt]
Luke appears to combine/conflate parts of Matthew. Luke changes
"watch" to
"hour" which breaks the model. Who is the
"householder" or
"goodman of the house"? Luke uses a related but
different word for "
house".
35. Luke 13:24-25 Householder
Luke 13:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. [kjv]
αγωνιζεσθε εισελθειν δια της στενης θυρας οτι πολλοι λεγω υμιν ζητησουσιν εισελθειν και ουκ ισχυσουσιν [gnt]
13:25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are: [kjv]
αφ ου αν εγερθη ο οικοδεσποτης και αποκλειση την θυραν και αρξησθε εξω εσταναι και κρουειν την θυραν λεγοντες κυριε ανοιξον ημιν και αποκριθεις ερει υμιν ουκ οιδα υμας ποθεν εστε [gnt]
These verses in Luke appear to
conflate several separate stories in Matthew.
The Greek word translated as "gate" is different than the word used in Matthew.
The Greek word translated as "able" is that of "strong" (not used by Jesus in a good sense).
Who is the
"householder" or
"master of the house"?
36. Luke 13:24
KJV: Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.
Greek: αγωνιζεσθε εισελθειν δια της στενης πυλης θυρας οτι πολλοι λεγω υμιν ζητησουσιν εισελθειν και ουκ ισχυσουσιν
37. Luke 13:25
KJV: When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:
Greek: αφ ου αν εγερθη ο οικοδεσποτης και αποκλειση την θυραν και αρξησθε εξω εσταναι και κρουειν την θυραν λεγοντες κυριε κυριε ανοιξον ημιν και αποκριθεις ερει υμιν ουκ οιδα υμας ποθεν εστε
38. Luke 14:21 Master of the house
Luke 14:21 So that servant came, and shewed his lord these things. Then the master of the house being angry said to his servant, Go out quickly into the streets and lanes of the city, and bring in hither the poor, and the maimed, and the halt, and the blind. [kjv]
και παραγενομενος ο δουλος απηγγειλεν τω κυριω αυτου ταυτα τοτε οργισθεις ο οικοδεσποτης ειπεν τω δουλω αυτου εξελθε ταχεως εις τας πλατειας και ρυμας της πολεως και τους πτωχους και αναπειρους και τυφλους και χωλους εισαγαγε ωδε [gnt]
The corresponding story in Matthew uses (usually) untranslated "
man" (
dative) and
"king" whereas Luke uses
"master of the house" or
"householder".
Does it make a difference?
Who is the "householder"?
Who is the "king"?
The guests are too busy for so invitations are sent to outsiders.
39. Goodman of the house
Mark 14:14 And wheresoever he shall go in, say ye to the goodman of the house, The Master saith, Where is the guestchamber, where I shall eat the passover with my disciples? [kjv]
και οπου εαν εισελθη ειπατε τω οικοδεσποτη οτι ο διδασκαλος λεγει που εστιν το καταλυμαμου οπου το πασχα μετα των μαθητων μου φαγω [gnt]
Luke 22:11 And ye shall say unto the goodman of the house, The Master saith unto thee, Where is the guestchamber, where I shall eat the passover with my disciples? [kjv]
και ερειτε τω οικοδεσποτη της οικιας λεγει σοι ο διδασκαλος που εστιν το καταλυμα οπου το πασχα μετα των μαθητων μου φαγω [gnt]
The
"goodman of the house" is often translated as
"householder". Who is the
"householder"? Luke uses
"goodman of the house" of the "
house".
40. 1 Timothy 5:14 Householder
1 Timothy 5:14 I will therefore that the younger women marry, bear children, guide the house, give none occasion to the adversary to speak reproachfully. [kjv]
βουλομαι ουν νεωτερας γαμειν τεκνογονειν οικοδεσποτειν μηδεμιαν αφορμην διδοναι τω αντικειμενω λοιδοριας χαριν [gnt]
Paul has no problem here meting out specific rules for the women. Perhaps Paul did not write 1 Timothy. As often happens is such cases, the Greek words may not be meaningful so that the meanings need to be adapted to something more meaningful.
The ancient Greek word
"λοίδορος" ≈ "railing, abusive, reviling". The ancient Greek word
"χάριν" ≈ "favor, purpose, joy" has been discussed at length elsewhere. It does not appear to have been translated.
The ancient Greek word
"ἀντίκειμαι" ≈ "opposite, contrast" and comes from two parts meaning, literally "
in place of" and "
placed" or "
situated". The context determines if the meaning is that of "
opposite" (two choices) or that of just a "
contrast" (more than two choices).
The modern Greek word
"αντικείμενο" (an-tee-KEE-meh-no) ≈ "object, subject" as in a physical object, a grammar object, a computing object, etc., that is used "
in place" of the actual object. The prefix
"ἀντῐ" ≈ "in place of" as in instead of. When there are two choices, the other choice is the one
"opposite" or "
against".
41. End of page
1 Timothy 6:1 Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honour, that the name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed. [kjv]
οσοι εισιν υπο ζυγον δουλοι τους ιδιους δεσποτας πασης τιμης αξιους ηγεισθωσαν ινα μη το ονομα του θεου και η διδασκαλια βλασφημηται [gnt]
Matthew 24:43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. [kjv]
εκεινο δε γινωσκετε οτι ει ηδει ο οικοδεσποτης ποια φυλακη ο κλεπτης ερχεται εγρηγορησεν αν και ουκ αν ειασεν διορυχθηναι την οικιαν αυτου [gnt]
Matthew 24:43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. [kjv]
Matthew 13:57 And they were offended in him. But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, save in his own country, and in his own house. [kjv]
και εσκανδαλιζοντο εν αυτω ο δε ιησους ειπεν αυτοις ουκ εστιν προφητης ατιμος ει μη εν τη πατριδι και εν τη οικια αυτου [gnt]
Matthew 13:57 And they were offended in him. But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, save in his own country, and in his own house. [kjv]
και εσκανδαλιζοντο εν αυτω ο δε ιησους ειπεν αυτοις ουκ εστιν προφητης ατιμος ει μη εν τη πατριδι και εν τη οικια αυτου [gnt]
Matthew 10:25 It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household? [kjv]
αρκετον τω μαθητη ινα γενηται ως ο διδασκαλος αυτου και ο δουλος ως ο κυριος αυτου ει τον οικοδεσποτην βεεζεβουλ επεκαλεσαν ποσω μαλλον τους οικιακους αυτου [gnt]
Matthew 10:25 It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household? [kjv]
αρκετον τω μαθητη ινα γενηται ως ο διδασκαλος αυτου και ο δουλος ως ο κυριος αυτου ει τον οικοδεσποτην βεεζεβουλ επεκαλεσαν ποσω μαλλον τους οικιακους αυτου [gnt]
Matthew 13:24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: [kjv]
13:27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? [kjv]
13:37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; [kjv]
Matthew 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; [kjv]
αποστελει ο υιος του ανθρωπου τους αγγελους αυτου και συλλεξουσιν εκ της βασιλειας αυτου παντα τα σκανδαλα και τους ποιουντας την ανομιαν [gnt]
Matthew 13:52 Then said he unto them, Therefore every scribe which is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of his treasure things new and old. [kjv]
ο δε ειπεν αυτοις δια τουτο πας γραμματευς μαθητευθεις τη βασιλεια των ουρανων ομοιος εστιν ανθρωπω οικοδεσποτη οστις εκβαλλει εκ του θησαυρου αυτου καινα και παλαια [gnt]
Matthew 20:1 For the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which went out early in the morning to hire labourers into his vineyard. [kjv]
ομοια γαρ εστιν η βασιλεια των ουρανων ανθρωπω οικοδεσποτη οστις εξηλθεν αμα πρωι μισθωσασθαι εργατας εις τον αμπελωνα αυτου [gnt]
Matthew 20:11 And when they had received it, they murmured against the goodman of the house, [kjv]
λαβοντες δε εγογγυζον κατα του οικοδεσποτου [gnt]
Matthew 5:15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house. [kjv]
ουδε καιουσιν λυχνον και τιθεασιν αυτον υπο τον μοδιον αλλ επι την λυχνιαν και λαμπει πασιν τοις εν τη οικια [gnt]
That "house" built on "sand" (end of the Sermon on the Mount) will be "cut off" and the "many" (who need the real Good News) will "fall" (same base word in Greek).
Matthew 20:10 But when the first came, they supposed that they should have received more; and they likewise received every man a penny. [kjv]
και ελθοντες οι πρωτοι ενομισαν οτι πλειον λημψονται και ελαβον το ανα δηναριον και αυτοι [gnt]
Matthew 21:33 Hear another parable: There was a certain householder, which planted a vineyard, and hedged it round about, and digged a winepress in it, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country: [kjv]
αλλην παραβολην ακουσατε ανθρωπος ην οικοδεσποτης οστις εφυτευσεν αμπελωνα και φραγμον αυτω περιεθηκεν και ωρυξεν εν αυτω ληνον και ωκοδομησεν πυργον και εξεδετο αυτον γεωργοις και απεδημησεν [gnt]
21:40 When the lord therefore of the vineyard cometh, what will he do unto those husbandmen? [kjv]
21:41 They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, and will let out his vineyard unto other husbandmen, which shall render him the fruits in their seasons. [kjv]
Matthew 24:48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; [kjv]
24:49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken; [kjv]
24:50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of, [kjv]
ηξει ο κυριος του δουλου εκεινου εν ημερα η ου προσδοκα και εν ωρα η ου γινωσκει [gnt]
24:51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. [kjv]
1 Thessalonians 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. [kjv]
αυτοι γαρ ακριβως οιδατε οτι ημερα κυριου ως κλεπτης εν νυκτι ουτως ερχεται [gnt]
5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. [kjv]
οταν λεγωσιν ειρηνη και ασφαλεια τοτε αιφνιδιος αυτοις επισταται ολεθρος ωσπερ η ωδιν τη εν γαστρι εχουση και ου μη εκφυγωσιν [gnt]
5:4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. [kjv]
υμεις δε αδελφοι ουκ εστε εν σκοτει ινα η ημερα υμας ως κλεπτας καταλαβη [gnt]
