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The daze of a crucifixion week
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1. The daze of a crucifixion week

2. Easter: Dazed by the date
Moon phases Sun, Earth and Moon
The Hebrew culture used a calender based on the moon, not the sun.

Easter is the first Sunday after the full moon date that falls on or after March 21 of each year.
Technical note: Easter can be between March 22 and April 25 (years 1753 to 2400).

March 21 can depend on the exact calendar system used. Eastern Orthodox churches still use the Julian calendar, about 13 days different from the Gregorian calendar. Russia did not make the calendar change until 1918 which resulted in a strange battle history involving Napoleon in 1805.

[Eastern vs. Western church and passover and Easter/Pascha]

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3. Moon jokes
How about some "cheesy" moon jokes?
 
What is a full moon?
The idea of water on the moon is just lunacy.
Why is it called a full moon when you can only see half of it?

4. Other Easter-related dates
Lent and Easter

Here are some other dates related to Easter as the Resurrection Day:

5. Days of the week
Agreement
The crucifixion week is an important part of Christian history. In Jewish tradition (from Genesis), each day starts the evening before and ends at the start of the next evening.

6. John 19:31 Day of preparation
Verse routeJohn 19:31 The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day, ) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away. [kjv]
Verse routeοι ουν ιουδαιοι επει παρασκευη ην ινα μη μεινη επι του σταυρου τα σωματα εν τω σαββατω ην γαρ μεγαλη η ημερα εκεινου του σαββατου ηρωτησαν τον πιλατον ινα κατεαγωσιν αυτων τα σκελη και αρθωσιν [gnt]

The "Day of Preparation" is the day before the Sabbath or High Sabbath. The modern Greek word "Παρασκευή" (Pa-ra-skev-EE) ≈ "Friday", which is, literally, the day of "Preparation".

There appear to be some mistranslations of the GNT (Greek New Testament) in order to fit the Christian tradition of a Friday crucification at the expense of not having three days and three nights in the "belly of the earth" and rise "after the third day". There are many talking points to explain away the obvious contradictions.in the translations of the Greek texts.


7. Matthew 27:62-63
Verse routeMatthew 27:62 Now the next day, that followed the day of the preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate, [kjv]
Verse routeτη δε επαυριον ητις εστιν μετα την παρασκευην συνηχθησαν οι αρχιερεις και οι φαρισαιοι προς πιλατον [gnt]
Verse route27:63 Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again. [kjv]
Verse routeλεγοντες κυριε εμνησθημεν οτι εκεινος ο πλανος ειπεν ετι ζων μετα τρεις ημερας εγειρομαι [gnt]

Was this day the special "High Sabbath", the regular "Sabbath" or were they both on the same day?

Are there days when the religious establishment would not go to Pilate?

8. Matthew 27:62
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KJV: Now the next day, that followed the day of the preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate,
Greek: τη δε επαυριον ητις εστιν μετα την παρασκευην συνηχθησαν οι αρχιερεις και οι φαρισαιοι προς πιλατον

9. Matthew 27:63
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KJV: Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again.
Greek: λεγοντες κυριε εμνησθημεν οτι εκεινος ο πλανος ειπεν ετι ζων μετα τρεις ημερας εγειρομαι

10. Mark 15:42-43 Day of preparation
Verse routeMark 15:42 And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath, [kjv]
Verse routeκαι ηδη οψιας γενομενης επει ην παρασκευη ο εστιν προσαββατον [gnt]
Verse route15:43 Joseph of Arimathaea, an honourable counsellor, which also waited for the kingdom of God, came, and went in boldly unto Pilate, and craved the body of Jesus. [kjv]
Verse routeελθων ιωσηφ απο αριμαθαιας ευσχημων βουλευτης ος και αυτος ην προσδεχομενος την βασιλειαν του θεου τολμησας εισηλθεν προς τον πιλατον και ητησατο το σωμα του ιησου [gnt]


11. Mark 15:42
   Mark 15:42 
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KJV: And now when the even was come, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath,
Greek: και ηδη οψιας γενομενης επει ην παρασκευη ο εστιν προσαββατον

12. Mark 15:43
   Mark 15:43 
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KJV: Joseph of Arimathaea, an honourable counsellor, which also waited for the kingdom of God, came, and went in boldly unto Pilate, and craved the body of Jesus.
Greek: ηλθεν ελθων ιωσηφ ο απο αριμαθαιας ευσχημων βουλευτης ος και αυτος ην προσδεχομενος την βασιλειαν του θεου τολμησας εισηλθεν προς τον πιλατον και ητησατο το σωμα του ιησου

13. Luke 23:54-55 Day of preparation
Verse routeLuke 23:54 And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on. [kjv]
Verse routeκαι ημερα ην παρασκευης και σαββατον επεφωσκεν [gnt]
Verse route23:55 And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid. [kjv]
Verse routeκατακολουθησασαι δε αι γυναικες αιτινες ησαν συνεληλυθυιαι εκ της γαλιλαιας αυτω εθεασαντο το μνημειον και ως ετεθη το σωμα αυτου [gnt]


14. Luke 23:54
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KJV: And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on.
Greek: και ημερα ην παρασκευη παρασκευης και σαββατον επεφωσκεν

15. Luke 23:55
   Luke 23:55 
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KJV: And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid.
Greek: κατακολουθησασαι δε και αι γυναικες αιτινες ησαν συνεληλυθυιαι αυτω εκ της γαλιλαιας αυτω εθεασαντο το μνημειον και ως ετεθη το σωμα αυτου

16. High Sabbath day and tradition
High Sabbaths
The Sabbath and the High Sabbath can be on the same day with a 1/7 probability and on a different day with a 6/7 probability.
An Easter tradition is that the crucification of Jesus was on Friday afternoon and that the empty tomb was discovered, with the stone rolled away, on Sunday morning.

The Sunday morning discovery seems well-founded based on the texts of the GNT and subsequent church history and traditions. Some issues arise with the certain passages.

17. John 19:31
   John 19:31 
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KJV: The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day, ) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
Greek: οι ουν ιουδαιοι επει παρασκευη ην ινα μη μεινη επι του σταυρου τα σωματα εν τω σαββατω επει παρασκευη ην ην γαρ μεγαλη η ημερα εκεινου του σαββατου ηρωτησαν τον πιλατον ινα κατεαγωσιν αυτων τα σκελη και αρθωσιν
Latin: Iudaei ergo quoniam parasceve erat ut non remanerent in cruce corpora sabbato erat enim magnus dies ille sabbati rogaverunt Pilatum ut frangerentur eorum crura et tollerentur

18. Matthew 12:38-39 Miracle sign
Jesus mentions Jonah in Matthew.
Verse routeMatthew 12:38 Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee. [kjv]
Verse routeτοτε απεκριθησαν αυτω τινες των γραμματεων και φαρισαιων λεγοντες διδασκαλε θελομεν απο σου σημειον ιδειν [gnt]
Verse route12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas: [kjv]
Verse routeο δε αποκριθεις ειπεν αυτοις γενεα πονηρα και μοιχαλις σημειον επιζητει και σημειον ου δοθησεται αυτη ει μη το σημειον ιωνα του προφητου [gnt]

The ancient Greek word "σημεῖον""mark, sign, omen, flag" and is related to the English word "semantic" as in "meaning" and the first part of the English word "semaphore". This word is often translated as "miracle".

19. Matthew 12:40 Three days and three nights
Verse routeMatthew 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. [kjv]
Verse routeωσπερ γαρ ην ιωνας εν τη κοιλια του κητους τρεις ημερας και τρεις νυκτας ουτως εσται ο υιος του ανθρωπου εν τη καρδια της γης τρεις ημερας και τρεις νυκτας [gnt]

AgreementHow does one get (a minimum of) both "three" "days" and "three" "nights" from late Friday afternoon right before sundown until Sunday morning?
Did Jesus mean exactly or a minimum of these "days" and "nights"?

The ancient Greek word "τρεῖς""three".

Remember: The stone was moved to let the women and disciples in, not let the resurrected Jesus get out.

[Mexican magician]

20. Matthew 12:38
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KJV: Then certain of the scribes and of the Pharisees answered, saying, Master, we would see a sign from thee.
Greek: τοτε απεκριθησαν αυτω τινες των γραμματεων και φαρισαιων λεγοντες διδασκαλε θελομεν απο σου σημειον ιδειν
Latin: tunc responderunt ei quidam de scribis et Pharisaeis dicentes magister volumus a te signum videre
Wessex: Ða andswereden him sume þa bokeres. & þa sunder-halgan. þus cweðende. Lareow we willeð sum taken of þe ge-seon.
Wycliffe: Thanne summe of the scribis and Farisees answeriden to hym, and seiden, Mayster, we wolen se a tokne of thee.
Tyndale: Then answered certeyne of the scribes and of the Pharises sayinge: Master we wolde fayne se a sygne of ye.

21. Matthew 12:39
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KJV: But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
Greek: ο δε αποκριθεις ειπεν αυτοις γενεα πονηρα και μοιχαλις σημειον επιζητει και σημειον ου δοθησεται αυτη ει μη το σημειον ιωνα του προφητου
Latin: qui respondens ait illis generatio mala et adultera signum quaerit et signum non dabitur ei nisi signum Ionae prophetae
Tyndale: He answered and sayde to the: The evyll and advoutrous generacio seketh a signe but ther shall no signe be geve to the saue the signe of the Prophete Ionas.
Slavonic: Он же отвещав рече им: род лукав и прелюбодей знамения ищет, и знамение не дастся ему, токмо знамение Ионы пророка:

22. Matthew 12:40
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KJV: For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
Greek: ωσπερ γαρ ην ιωνας εν τη κοιλια του κητους τρεις ημερας και τρεις νυκτας ουτως εσται ο υιος του ανθρωπου εν τη καρδια της γης τρεις ημερας και τρεις νυκτας
Latin: sicut enim fuit Ionas in ventre ceti tribus diebus et tribus noctibus sic erit Filius hominis in corde terrae tribus diebus et tribus noctibus
Wessex: Witodlice swa swa ionas waes on þas hwaeles innoðe þreo dages & þreo niht. swa beoð mannes sune on eorðan heortan þreo dages & þreo niht.
Wycliffe: For as Jonas was in the wombe of a whal thre daies and thre nyytis, so mannus sone shal be in the herte of the erthe thre daies and thre nyytis.
Slavonic: якоже бо бе Иона во чреве китове три дни и три нощы, тако будет и Сын Человеческий в сердцы земли три дни и три нощы.

23. Matthew 12:41 Nineveh and Jonah
Verse routeMatthew 12:41 The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here. [kjv]
Verse routeανδρες νινευιται αναστησονται εν τη κρισει μετα της γενεας ταυτης και κατακρινουσιν αυτην οτι μετενοησαν εις το κηρυγμα ιωνα και ιδου πλειον ιωνα ωδε [gnt]
Verse routeiudicio … [v]


24. Matthew 12:41
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KJV: The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.
Greek: ανδρες νινευιται αναστησονται εν τη κρισει μετα της γενεας ταυτης και κατακρινουσιν αυτην οτι μετενοησαν εις το κηρυγμα ιωνα και ιδου πλειον ιωνα ωδε
Latin: viri ninevitae surgent in iudicio cum generatione ista et condemnabunt eam quia paenitentiam egerunt in praedicatione Ionae et ecce plus quam Iona hic
Wessex: Niniueissce weres ariseð on dome mid þisse cneornysse & hyo niðeriað hyo. for-þan þe hyo dyden dead-bote on Ionases bodiunge. & þes ys mare þanne Ionas.
Wycliffe: Men of Nynyue schulen rise in doom with this generacioun, and schulen condempne it; for thei diden penaunce in the prechyng of Jonas, and lo! here a gretter than Jonas.
Tyndale: The men of Ninivie shall rise at the daye of iugdement with this nacion and condemne them: for they amended at ye preachinge of Ionas. And beholde a greater then Ionas is here.
Slavonic: Мужие Ниневитстии востанут на суд с родом сим и осудят его, яко покаяшася проповедию Иониною: и се, боле Ионы зде.

25. Luke 11:29 Jonah
Verse routeLuke 11:29 And when the people were gathered thick together, he began to say, This is an evil generation: they seek a sign; and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet. [kjv]
Verse routeτων δε οχλων επαθροιζομενων ηρξατο λεγειν η γενεα αυτη γενεα πονηρα εστιν σημειον ζητει και σημειον ου δοθησεται αυτη ει μη το σημειον ιωνα [gnt]


Luke mentions the same Jonah and the "sign" but without the three days and three nights and without Nineveh.

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26. Luke 11:29
   Luke 11:29 
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KJV: And when the people were gathered thick together, he began to say, This is an evil generation: they seek a sign; and there shall no sign be given it, but the sign of Jonas the prophet.
Greek: των δε οχλων επαθροιζομενων ηρξατο λεγειν η γενεα αυτη γενεα πονηρα εστιν σημειον επιζητει ζητει και σημειον ου δοθησεται αυτη ει μη το σημειον ιωνα του προφητου

27. Agreement
Agreement
There is general agreement on the above week. Let us count part of a "day" or "night" as an entire "day" or "night".

28. Friday crucifixion tradition
Friday
The tradition is of a Friday crucifixion. It is hard to rationalize three "days" and three "nights" in the grave.

29. Thursday crucifixion
Thursday
Remember: The stone was rolled away to let people in, not let Jesus out.

30. Wednesday crucifixion
Wednesday

31. Some crucifixion week alternatives

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How does one get "three" "days" and "three" "nights" from Friday afternoon until Sunday morning? The "Day of Preparation" is the day before the Sabbath or High Sabbath. The Sabbath and the High Sabbath can be on the same day with a 1/7 probability and on a different day with a 6/7 probability. What does the Greek text say?

[stone rolled away, time to buy spices]

32. The daze of a crucifixion week
Caution Heptagon 7
How does one get three "days" and three nights in the grave from late Friday afternoon until early Sunday morning?
The Passover week of the crucifixion of Jesus is documented in the four Gospels. There are some variations in the events and many have tried to harmonize the Gospels for events of the Passover week.

Matthew 21-28 Mark 11-16 Luke 19-24 John 12-21

A model providing redundancy might help resolve any discrepancies.
 
There are octagons, heptagons, hexagons. One person got very upset when I claimed there were 2-sided polygons. How did I reconcile with the person?

33. Greek Orthodox days
The Greek Orthodox church has names for each day of the Passover week. The Catholic and Protestant church have names for many of these days.

# Name Traditional events
7 Lazarus Saturday Raising of Lazarus
1 Palm Sunday Triumphal entry
2 Holy Monday Clearing of the Temple
3 Holy Tuesday Mount of Olives discourse
4 Holy Wednesday Rest in Bethany
5 Maundy Thursday Passover and Last supper, arrest, trials
6 Good Friday Day of Preparation, cross, death, burial
7 Holy Saturday In the grave
1 Pascha, Easter Resurrection Sunday, empty tomb

34. Bowling pin layout
Bowling pins Tetractys 2 Tetractys 8 TPS 10

The tetractys pattern is the same as the bowling pin layout, except that the base is at the back and the one pin is in the front.

The TenWordPin model does not appear to need many of the interior transitions (vertical) from node to node. The sequential ordering is needed.

For 10 (ten) nodes or elements, there are 10! (ten factorial) or 3,628,800 ways or permutations of arranging those elements. There are 45 possible edges so there are 245 or about 35,000,000,000,000 ways (subsets of edges) to include or exclude each edge in the model. Some models work better than other models.

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35. Creation days
The seven days of creation are outlined at the beginning of Genesis. Is there a connection to the days of the Passover week?

A TenPin model is now presented which will then be compared with the TenPin models of the following.

36. Saturday: Bethany, Lazarus Saturday
Triangle 1
One tradition is the raising of Lazarus the day before the entry into Jerusalem. This will be associated with the Sabbath and "in the grave".

37. Sunday: Triumphal entry, Palm Sunday
Triangle 2
The Triumphal entry of Jesus into Jerusalem riding on a colt is Palm Sunday. Sunday is the first day of the week.

At the house of Simon the Leper there is a discussion on which "covet" to take.

38. Monday: Clearing the temple
Triangle 3
On Monday, Jesus clears the temple.

Does the buying and selling in the temple present a "false witness" to the people? Are there "weeds" who want to be considered "great".

39. Tuesday: Olivet discourse, Judas
Triangle 4
On Tuesday, in Jerusalem (many or city on a hill), Judas makes an oath with the religious establishment to betray Jesus. Jesus makes oaths of a sort on the Mount of Olives (few on a hill).

40. Last supper
Verse routeMatthew 26:17 Now the first day of the feast of unleavened bread the disciples came to Jesus, saying unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare for thee to eat the passover? [kjv]
Verse routeτη δε πρωτη των αζυμων προσηλθον οι μαθηται τω ιησου λεγοντες που θελεις ετοιμασωμεν σοι φαγειν το πασχα [gnt]

The disciples expected to eat the unleavened bread on the Day of Preparation. Jesus provides instructions, but this may have been for the day before the usual day. How well does unleavened bread dip compared to leavened bread?

41. Matthew 26:17
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KJV: Now the first day of the feast of unleavened bread the disciples came to Jesus, saying unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare for thee to eat the passover?
Greek: τη δε πρωτη των αζυμων προσηλθον οι μαθηται τω ιησου λεγοντες αυτω που θελεις ετοιμασωμεν σοι φαγειν το πασχα

42. Wednesday: Last supper
Triangle 5
On Wednesday, Jesus arranges the Last Supper. Did they eat leavened or unleavened bread at the Last Supper?

43. Thursday: Arrest, trials, cross, burial
Triangle 6
On Thursday (night before), Jesus is betrayed, arrested, has trials during the night, is crucified, dead and buried.

44. Exodus 12:23 Universal application
Verse routeExodus 12:23 For the LORD will pass through to smite the Egyptians; and when he seeth the blood upon the lintel, and on the two side posts, the LORD will pass over the door, and will not suffer the destroyer to come in unto your houses to smite you. [kjv]
Verse routeκαι παρελευσεται κυριος παταξαι τους αιγυπτιους και οψεται το αιμα επι της φλιας και επ αμφοτερων των σταθμων και παρελευσεται κυριος την θυραν και ουκ αφησει τον ολεθρευοντα εισελθειν εις τας οικιας υμων παταξαι [lxx]

What is it?
The separation is not by:
The separation is by those whose door is washed in the blood., whether Hebrew or Egyptian (non-Hebrews).

Moses, as a type of Jesus, leads the Hebrews on the "way out" to the land of "milk and honey".

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45. Exodus 12:24 Passover tradition
Verse routeExodus 12:24 And ye shall observe this thing for an ordinance to thee and to thy sons for ever. [kjv]
Verse routeκαι φυλαξεσθε το ρημα τουτο νομιμον σεαυτω και τοις υιοις σου εως αιωνος [lxx]

The "passover" is to be remembered as a "tradition".

The LXX (Septuagint) uses the word the ancient Greek word "νομος""law" is a tradition and, according to Aristotle, an opinion.

Does this "tradition" carry the same weight as the original "Sabbath" at the end of the creation week?

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46. Friday: High Sabbath
Triangle 7
The High Sabbath was a tradition. Was in ordained by God? Was it at the same level as the weekly Sabbath. Had traditions been added to the weekly Sabbath? Perhaps the women could have bought spices during the High Sabbath.

47. Saturday: In the grave
Triangle 8
Saturday was in the grave.

We need "three" "days" and "three" "nights".

48. Sunday: Resurrection Sunday
Triangle 9
On Sunday morning, the empty tomb was discovered. Jesus had risen.

49. Visit the underworld
Triangle 10
Jesus could visit the underworld in a manner similar to the earth part of the creation days.

It is not clear if this node is needed.

This could be parallel in some sense to the tomb sequence.

50. John 20:17 Touchy situation before ascension
Verse routeJohn 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God. [kjv]
Verse routeλεγει αυτη ιησους μη μου απτου ουπω γαρ αναβεβηκα προς τον πατερα πορευου δε προς τους αδελφους μου και ειπε αυτοις αναβαινω προς τον πατερα μου και πατερα υμων και θεον μου και θεον υμων [gnt]

The ancient Greek word "ἅπτω""touch, fasten to, kindle, set on fire" and can mean "grasp" with the senses as in "apprehend" or "perceive". It is the source of the English word "haptic" as in something that "touches".

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51. John 20:17
   John 20:17 
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KJV: Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
Greek: λεγει αυτη ο ιησους μη μου απτου ουπω γαρ αναβεβηκα προς τον πατερα μου πορευου δε προς τους αδελφους μου και ειπε αυτοις αναβαινω προς τον πατερα μου και πατερα υμων και θεον μου και θεον υμων

52. Ascend to the Father
Triangle 11
In a short time later, Jesus would ascend to the Father.

53. Passover week sequence
Triangle 12


54. Passover week sequence as a build

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55. Creation week build

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56. Generations and Ten Commandments build

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57. Generations big build

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58. Revelation and Ten Commandments build

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