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The security of flaming swords
1. The security of flaming swords
2. The security of flaming swords
Genesis 3:24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life. [kjv]
και εξεβαλεν τον αδαμ και κατωκισεν αυτον απεναντι του παραδεισου της τρυφης και εταξεν τα χερουβιμ και την φλογινην ρομφαιαν την στρεφομενην φυλασσειν την οδον του ξυλου της ζωης [lxx]
A key or password provides
passive security to protect a resource.
Active security requires a physical presence of someone or something guarding the resource. Is the security of the "
flaming sword" in Genesis 3:24 "
active", "
passive", both or none of these. Is that "
flaming sword" needed to keep access open, to keep access closed, both of these, none of these, or something else?
3. Adam and ruddy red clay
Genesis 2:19 And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof. [kjv]
και επλασεν ο θεος ετι εκ της γης παντα τα θηρια του αγρου και παντα τα πετεινα του ουρανου και ηγαγεν αυτα προς τον αδαμ ιδειν τι καλεσει αυτα και παν ο εαν εκαλεσεν αυτο αδαμ ψυχην ζωσαν τουτο ονομα αυτου [lxx]
… האדמה … האדם … האדם … [he]
The first man, created by God.
Dirt or clay of a reddish-brown color.
The color "red" is in "ruddy".
4. Genesis 1:1: Declarative models and causal reasoning
Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. [kjv]
εν αρχη εποιησεν ο θεος τον ουρανον και την γην [lxx]
Genesis 1 is a
declarative model of creation and not a
procedural or
imperative model of creation. It says
what happened but not exactly
how it happened.
Word processors are declarative - WYSIWYG (What You See Is What You Get).
Microsoft Word is "What you see is what you hope to get".
Spreadsheets are declarative (a simple functional language).
Programming languages such as C, C++, Java, Python, etc., are imperative or procedural.
5. Declarative models
Genesis 1:3 And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. [kjv]
και ειπεν ο θεος γενηθητω φως και εγενετο φως [lxx]
When you "
declare" something, like the "
Declaration of Independence", you state that something is what you want it to be.
A
declarative model of a system is a model that describes the
what of a system but not the
how or
why of a system.
The declarative part of what the system does is (often) explained in a model without getting into details of ordering of subparts of the system.
The control part of how the system does it and the order in which things are done is not (usually) explained in a model.
This distinction made is made in computer science and software engineering (and other areas).
6. Before and after
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. Genesis 1:1
The "
declarative" model of creation is before Adam and Eve were created. The exact
way it happened
does not matter.
It does not make sense to try to map time and space of reality as is known now to the that period.
The "
historical" model of humanity started with Adam and continues to the present day. The exact
dates do not matter.
This is known more precisely since the start of written records and less precisely before then.
To show that the Bible is a true message from the creator, (fault-tolerant and error correcting) authentication codes are needed.
7. Dates for reference
Here are some dates for reference.
Adam and Eve are about 4000 BC.
Noah and the flood are about 2400 BC.
Abraham is about 2000 BC
David is about 1000 BC
8. Foundations
Acts 2:41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. [kjv]
4:4 Howbeit many of them which heard the word believed; and the number of the men was about five thousand. [kjv]
The foundations of one's world view become important. Many pastors will read from Acts and tell how three or five thousand were converted and give the impression that if one went out, that many would be converted in "
our town".
9. Ken Ham
What Ken Ham of Answers in Genesis and others have pointed out is that these were Jews in Jerusalem. They were looking for a Messiah and they all believed in the God of the Bible.
When Paul got to the Greeks, they did not believe there was a God of the Bible.
That first step is convincing others that there is a God of the Bible. Sadly, this point is completely omitted in many churches today.
10. Acts 2:41
KJV: Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.
Greek: οι μεν ουν ασμενως αποδεξαμενοι τον λογον αυτου εβαπτισθησαν και προσετεθησαν εν τη ημερα εκεινη ψυχαι ωσει τρισχιλιαι
11. Acts 4:4
KJV: Howbeit many of them which heard the word believed; and the number of the men was about five thousand.
Greek: πολλοι δε των ακουσαντων τον λογον επιστευσαν και εγενηθη ο αριθμος των ανδρων ωσει ως χιλιαδες πεντε
12. Genesis 3:24
KJV: So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.
Hebrew: ויגרש את האדם וישכן מקדם לגן עדן את הכרבים ואת להט החרב המתהפכת לשמר את דרך עץ החיים׃
Greek: και εξεβαλεν τον αδαμ και κατωκισεν αυτον απεναντι του παραδεισου της τρυφης και εταξεν τα χερουβιμ και την φλογινην ρομφαιαν την στρεφομενην φυλασσειν την οδον του ξυλου της ζωης
Brenton: And he cast out Adam and caused him to dwell over against the garden of Delight, and stationed the cherubs and the fiery sword that turns about to keep the way of the tree of life.
Latin: eiecitque Adam et conlocavit ante paradisum voluptatis cherubin et flammeum gladium atque versatilem ad custodiendam viam ligni vitae
13. Context of the flaming sword
Genesis 3:22 And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever: [kjv]
και ειπεν ο θεος ιδου αδαμ γεγονεν ως εις εξ ημων του γινωσκειν καλον και πονηρον και νυν μηποτε εκτεινη την χειρα και λαβη του ξυλου της ζωης και φαγη και ζησεται εις τον αιωνα [lxx]
… האדם … [he]
3:23 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. [kjv]
και εξαπεστειλεν αυτον κυριος ο θεος εκ του παραδεισου της τρυφης εργαζεσθαι την γην εξ ης ελημφθη [lxx]
… האדמה … [he]
Going back two verses provides a context for Genesis 3:24. The Greek in the
LXX (Septuagint) and
GNT (Greek New Testament) for "
evil" is that of "
oppression".
14. Genesis 3:22
KJV: And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
Hebrew: ויאמר יהוה אלהים הן האדם היה כאחד ממנו לדעת טוב ורע ועתה פן ישלח ידו ולקח גם מעץ החיים ואכל וחי לעלם׃
Greek: και ειπεν ο θεος ιδου αδαμ γεγονεν ως εις εξ ημων του γινωσκειν καλον και πονηρον και νυν μηποτε εκτεινη την χειρα και λαβη του ξυλου της ζωης και φαγη και ζησεται εις τον αιωνα
15. Genesis 3:23
KJV: Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
Hebrew: וישלחהו יהוה אלהים מגן עדן לעבד את האדמה אשר לקח משם׃
Greek: και εξαπεστειλεν αυτον κυριος ο θεος εκ του παραδεισου της τρυφης εργαζεσθαι την γην εξ ης ελημφθη
16. Guards
Cherubims (plural) and a "
flaming sword" will certainly keep humans away from the tree of life. But is that more than what is actually needed?
Since no human has ever found anything in reality that would match this description of a physical "
flaming sword", perhaps it is not literal. Perhaps it is a mechanism similar to meeting requirements for the flaming sword to unlock access.
Discuss: Might there be someone else that is to be kept from the tree of life?
Discuss: Did God invent the "
sword"? Perhaps it is not a literal sword. Some would say that since God created man and man created the sword that God created the sword (as a logical implication of creation).
17. Eastern Orthodox tradition
Eastern Orthodox tradition says that after Jesus was crucified and resurrected, the flaming sword was removed from the Garden of Eden, making it possible for humanity to re-enter Paradise. Wikipedia. (as of 2022-01-10)
Languages in areas in western Europe aligned with the Catholic (western) Church use the Latin alphabet.
Languages in areas in eastern Europe aligned with the Eastern Orthodox Church use the Cyrillic alphabet.
18. Strongs Hebrew - sword
- *H2719 חֶרֶב (kheh'-reb) : from H2717; drought; also a cutting instrument (from its destructive effect), as a knife, sword, or other sharp implement:--axe, dagger, knife, mattock, sword, tool.
19. Strongs Hebrew - flame
- *H3858 לַהַט (lah'-hat) : from H3857; a blaze; also (from the idea of enwrapping) magic (as covert):--flaming, enchantment.
20. Swords
21. Access to the tree of life
Perhaps the "
flaming sword" is literal. Perhaps it is figurative. Since it keeps open the way to the "
tree of life" in some way but blocks it in some way, perhaps it is somewhat like an authentication mechanism (of three primary forms).
What you have (identification card).
What you are (biometric).
What you know (password).
In this model, we need both things that match the blocking mechanism.
An appropriate "sword".
An appropriate "flame".
Is the sword is still cutting edge technology?
If you are sharp, you might get the point of swords.
Let us review.
22. Unconditional access to tree of life
23. No access to tree of life.
One scenario is to block access to the tree of life. That is, "
access denied".
Were "
swords" allowed in the Garden of Eden? Did the zoning rules of the Garden of Eden permit "
fencing"?
Since Adam and Eve were expelled to the
east, some associate the Greek legend of the Garden of Hesperides in the
west to the Garden of Eden.
24. Vespers in the west at evening
Luke 24:29 … Abide with us: for it is toward evening, and the day is far spent. … [kjv]
και παρεβιασαντο αυτον λεγοντες μεινον μεθ ημων οτι προς εσπεραν εστιν και κεκλικεν ηδη η ημερα και εισηλθεν του μειναι συν αυτοις [gnt]
The garden of Hesperides, visited by Hercules as one of his feats, was in the extreme west (setting sun) from Greece and is the source of the Greek word for "
evening" which comes, through Latin, as "
vespers". The ancient Greek word for "
Spain" was "
Hesperia".
The ancient Greek word
"ἕσπερος" ≈ "evening" which has a connotation of "
west" as in the setting sun. The related English word
"west" is related to the Latin word
"vesper" ≈ "evening" and the Russian word
"вечер" (ve-sher) ≈ "evening".
Since Adam and Eve were expelled towards the east, and Hesperides is to the west, some associate the Garden of Eden with the legend of the Gander of Hesperides.
25. Conditional Access to tree of life
Another scenario, and the one that appears to be the actual meaning, is that there is conditional access to the tree of life.
One needs an appropriate "sword".
One needs an appropriate "flame".
There may be additional requirements not immediately obvious in the Genesis account.
Let us "
touch", as in "
touché", on the "
sword" part first.
26. Buffalo Sabres
The Buffalo Sabres are an
NHL (National Hockey League) team whose emblem features crossed sabers. A saber is a type of sword. They are one of the oldest NHL hockey teams to have never won the Stanley Cup. The other is the Vancouver Chanucks, both having joined the NHL in 1970.
The ceremonial dress sword/saber of the
USMA (United States Military Academy) at West Point, NY, is used in parades. A sword is not given to graduating cadets. To "
take" a sword, a cadet needs to "
buy" a "
sword".
27. Swords
Ephesians 6:17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God: [kjv]
και την περικεφαλαιαν του σωτηριου δεξασθε και την μαχαιραν του πνευματος ο εστιν ρημα θεου [gnt]
… galeam … gladium … [v]
The ancient Greek word
"μάχαιραν" ≈ "sword" from the ancient Greek word
"μάχη" ≈ "battle, fight".
The Latin word
"gladium" ≈ "sword" and is the source of the English word "
gladiator". The ancient Greek word
"ῥομφαία" ≈ "large broad sword" and is used in the
LXX.
The ancient Greek word
"ῥῆμα" ≈ "spoken word" and is the source of the English word
"rhetoric".
The "
declarative" or "
spoken word" of God is the "
sword" of the Spirit.
28. Something to say about words
There are (at least) two ancient Greek words for "
word".
The ancient Greek word "ῥῆμα" ≈ "spoken word" as in a saying. In grammar it referred to a "verb" and is the source of the English word "rhetoric".
The ancient Greek word "λόγος" ≈ "rational explanation" but is translated as "word" in John 1:1, in the beginning was the "word". It is the source of the English word "logic".
In general, one word means a spoken word and one means a written word but this distinction is not always followed.
There are many verses in the
LXX and
GNT that use both words. Such verses may help understand both the similarities and the differences between the two words.
29. Ephesians 6:17
KJV: And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
Greek: και την περικεφαλαιαν του σωτηριου δεξασθε και την μαχαιραν του πνευματος ο εστιν ρημα θεου
Latin: et galeam salutis adsumite et gladium Spiritus quod est verbum Dei
Wycliffe: And take ye the helm of helthe, and the swerd of the Goost, that is, the word of God.
Luther: Und nehmet den Helm des Heils und das Schwert des Geistes, welches ist das Wort Gottes.
Spanish: y tomad el yelmo de la salvación, y la espada del Espíritu, que es la palabra de Dios;
30. Strongs - sword
- *G3162 *29 μάχαιρα (makh'-ahee-rah) : probably feminine of a presumed derivative of G3163; a knife, i.e. dirk; figuratively, war, judicial punishment:--sword.
- μαχαιραν *12
- Matthew 10:34 ... to send peace, but a sword.
- Matthew 26:51 ... his hand, and drew his sword, and struck a servant ...
- Matthew 26:52 ... Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.
- Mark 14:47 ... of them that stood by drew a sword, and smote a servant of the high priest, ...
- Luke 22:36 ... he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, ...
- John 18:10 Then Simon Peter having a sword drew it, and ...
- John 18:11 ... unto Peter, Put up thy sword into the sheath: the cup ...
- Acts 16:27 ... doors open, he drew out his sword, and would have killed himself, ...
- Romans 13:4 ... for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is ...
- Ephesians 6:17 ... the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is ...
- Hebrews 4:12 ... than any twoedged sword, piercing even to ...
- μαχαιρων *5
- Matthew 26:47 ... great multitude with swords and staves, from ...
- Matthew 26:55 ... against a thief with swords and staves for to take ...
- Mark 14:43 ... a great multitude with swords and staves, from ...
- Mark 14:48 ... against a thief, with swords and with staves to take me?
- Luke 22:52 ... against a thief, with swords and staves?
- μαχαιρη *5
- Matthew 26:52 ... Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.
- Luke 22:49 ... shall we smite with the sword?
- Acts 12:2 ... James the brother of John with the sword.
- Revelation 13:10 ... killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is ...
- μαχαιρης *4
- Luke 21:24 And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into ...
- Hebrews 11:34 ... of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, ...
- Hebrews 11:37 They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins ...
- Revelation 13:14 ... which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
- μαχαιρα *2
- Romans 8:35 ... or peril, or sword?
- Revelation 6:4 ... there was given unto him a great sword.
- μαχαιραι
- Luke 22:38 ... behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, ...
31. Strongs - sword
 |
Words: μαχαιρα=2 μαχαιραι μαχαιραν=12 μαχαιρη=5 μαχαιρης=4 μαχαιρων=5
|
32. Strongs - sword
*G3162 *29 μάχαιρα (makh'-ahee-rah) : probably feminine of a presumed derivative of G3163; a knife, i.e. dirk; figuratively, war, judicial punishment:--sword.
In the
GNT, the word "
sword" in the Greek appears to refer to a generic sword.
The Greek "machaira" sword was one-edged and longer.
The Roman "gladius" sword (used by a gladiator) was two-edged and shorter.
33. Song: Standing on the promises
The hymn "
Standing on the promises" was written in 1886 by American
Russell Kelso Carter (1849-1928). He was a professor at the
Pennsylvania Military College of Chester (later
Widener College) and licensed as a preacher by the
Methodist Episcopal Church. He later became a doctor and a writer, writing novels and hymns.
He was known for his faith healing teachings and "
positive confession".
In 1972 Pennsylvania Military College disbanded its Corps of Cadets and became
Widener College (later University).
34. Tune
35. Verse 1
Standing on the promises of Christ, my King,
Through eternal ages let his praises ring;
Glory in the highest, I will shout and sing,
Standing on the promises of God.
Standing,
standing,
standing on
the promises of God, my Savior;
Standing,
standing, I'm
standing on
the promises of God.
36. Verse 3
Standing on the promises of Christ, the Lord,
Bound to him eternally by love's strong cord,
Overcoming daily with the Spirit's
sword,
Standing on the promises of God.
Standing,
standing,
standing on
the promises of God, my Savior;
Standing,
standing, I'm
standing on
the promises of God.
37. Genesis 3:24 flaming sword
Genesis 3:24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life. [kjv]
και εξεβαλεν τον αδαμ και κατωκισεν αυτον απεναντι του παραδεισου της τρυφης και εταξεν τα χερουβιμ και την φλογινην ρομφαιαν την στρεφομενην φυλασσειν την οδον του ξυλου της ζωης [lxx]
… האדם … [he]
Where might we find an appropriate sword? Without an appropriate sword, one might be "
living on the edge".
How might God provide us with an appropriate sword?
38. John 1:14-15
John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. [kjv]
και ο λογος σαρξ εγενετο και εσκηνωσεν εν ημιν και εθεασαμεθα την δοξαν αυτου δοξαν ως μονογενους παρα πατρος πληρης χαριτος και αληθειας [gnt]
1:15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me. [kjv]
So God sent someone - Jesus. He made the "
scene". The word "
scene" cames from the Greek word used here for "
dwelt".
What can John the Baptist tell us about the "
flaming sword"? (later)
Jesus came. But where is the "
sword"?
39. John 1:14
KJV: And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
Greek: και ο λογος σαρξ εγενετο και εσκηνωσεν εν ημιν και εθεασαμεθα την δοξαν αυτου δοξαν ως μονογενους παρα πατρος πληρης χαριτος και αληθειας
40. John 1:15
KJV: John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.
Greek: ιωαννης μαρτυρει περι αυτου και κεκραγεν λεγων ουτος ην ον ειπον ο ειπων ο οπισω μου ερχομενος εμπροσθεν μου γεγονεν οτι πρωτος μου ην
41. Matthew 10:34
Matthew 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. [kjv]
μη νομισητε οτι ηλθον βαλειν ειρηνην επι την γην ουκ ηλθον βαλειν ειρηνην αλλα μαχαιραν [gnt]
… pacem … gladium [v]
Many think that Jesus came to bring, or "
throw", "
peace" on earth.
A syntactic match (word letters) results in Genesis 3:24 in the LXX and Matthew 10:34 in the GNT using different words for "sword".
A semantic match (word meaning) results in a "sword" being a "sword".
The "
sword" is the sword of "
truth" (code word approach). In addition, Jesus provides the "
sword" part of the "
flaming sword" for the "
tree of life".
If the sword were not forged right, a "
forgery", you might say that the sword "
smelt funny". If you can find an inexpensive sword, it might be a "
good steel".
42. Matthew 10:34
KJV: Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.
Greek: μη νομισητε οτι ηλθον βαλειν ειρηνην επι την γην ουκ ηλθον βαλειν ειρηνην αλλα μαχαιραν
Latin: nolite arbitrari quia venerim mittere pacem in terram non veni pacem mittere sed gladium
43. Luke 12:51
Luke 12:51 Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division: [kjv]
δοκειτε οτι ειρηνην παρεγενομην δουναι εν τη γη ουχι λεγω υμιν αλλ η διαμερισμον [gnt]
One can make the case that the "
sword" is the "
sword" of the "
truth" or "
reality". But that fits in with the "
reality" of the "
flaming sword".
Notice how Luke, writing in part to the Romans, changes "
sword" to "
division" (the figurative meaning).
The Romans were quite adept at "
swords" and might get the wrong idea.
This is similar to the translation of the Bible for the Goths by Wulfila. He did not translate parts of the
OT (Old Testament) because he said the Goths were warlike enough without additional encouragement. Note: Most of that
OT translation has not survived.
44. Luke 12:51
KJV: Suppose ye that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, Nay; but rather division:
Greek: δοκειτε οτι ειρηνην παρεγενομην δουναι εν τη γη ουχι λεγω υμιν αλλ η διαμερισμον
45. Luke 11:21
Luke 11:21 When a strong man armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace: [kjv]
οταν ο ισχυρος καθωπλισμενος φυλασση την εαυτου αυλην εν ειρηνη εστιν τα υπαρχοντα αυτου [gnt]
Luke changes the words somewhat from Matthew. The "
strong man" represents the ruler of this world. The "
peace" is the "
peace" of the world and not of God. The "
goods" are the people in the "
world" under the control of the "
strong man".
46. Luke 11:21
KJV: When a strong man armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace:
Greek: οταν ο ισχυρος καθωπλισμενος φυλασση την εαυτου αυλην εν ειρηνη εστιν τα υπαρχοντα αυτου
47. Carrying purse and scrip
Luke 10:4 Carry neither purse, nor scrip, nor shoes: and salute no man by the way. [kjv]
μη βασταζετε βαλλαντιον μη πηραν υποδηματα και μηδενα κατα την οδον ασπασησθε [gnt]
22:35 And he said unto them, When I sent you without purse, and scrip, and shoes, lacked ye any thing? And they said, Nothing. [kjv]
22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. [kjv]
ειπεν δε αυτοις αλλα νυν ο εχων βαλλαντιον αρατω ομοιως και πηραν και ο μη εχων πωλησατω το ιματιον αυτου και αγορασατω μαχαιραν [gnt]
Before the arrest and crucifixion, Jesus changes the earlier-stated requirements.
How many times have you heard Luke 10:4 stated in a sermon?
How many times have you then heard Luke 22:36 stated in that sermon?
Discuss: Is it deceptive to make a claim using one verse and omit telling people about the later verse that reverses the earlier verse?
48. Buy a sword
Luke 22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. [kjv]
ειπεν δε αυτοις αλλα νυν ο εχων βαλλαντιον αρατω ομοιως και πηραν και ο μη εχων πωλησατω το ιματιον αυτου και αγορασατω μαχαιραν [gnt]
Why might we need a "
sword"? Is the "
sword" more than reality "
truth"?
What might it mean to "
sell" one's "
garment" to "
buy" a "
sword"?
We still do not need "
shoes". Why might that be the case?
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49. Luke 22:38
Luke 22:38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough. [kjv]
οι δε ειπαν κυριε ιδου μαχαιραι ωδε δυο ο δε ειπεν αυτοις ικανον εστιν [gnt]
Apparently, even one sword would have been "
sufficient". When Jesus makes statements, those statements often have multiple meanings, of which all can be true.
In terms of "
swords", what Jesus says may have "
duel" meanings.
50. Luke 22:36
Luke 22:36 … he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. [kjv]
ειπεν δε αυτοις αλλα νυν ο εχων βαλλαντιον αρατω ομοιως και πηραν και ο μη εχων πωλησατω το ιματιον αυτου και αγορασατω μαχαιραν [gnt]
Some use this verse to justify carrying weapons for self-defense. Jesus subsequently states not to use violence. [framing, false dilemma]
Some use this verse as used to fulfill prophecy, such as provide a reason for the soldiers to arrest him as a criminal.
Note that
some or
all or
more can be true.
51. Luke 22:36
Luke 22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. [kjv]
ειπεν δε αυτοις αλλα νυν ο εχων βαλλαντιον αρατω ομοιως και πηραν και ο μη εχων πωλησατω το ιματιον αυτου και αγορασατω μαχαιραν [gnt]
If the previous remarks about "
purse" and "
script" apply to everyone then so does the remarks about the "
sword". That is, everyone needs a "
sword".
Do you have a sword?
Jesus tells everyone to "
buy" a "
sword". Do you need to "
sell" something, such as your outer layer or
"garment" to "
purchase" that "
sword"? For what might that "
sword" be needed?
52. Luke 22:36
KJV: Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
Greek: ειπεν ουν δε αυτοις αλλα νυν ο εχων βαλαντιον βαλλαντιον αρατω ομοιως και πηραν και ο μη εχων πωλησατω το ιματιον αυτου και αγορασατω μαχαιραν
53. Luke 22:37
KJV: For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.
Greek: λεγω γαρ υμιν οτι ετι τουτο το γεγραμμενον δει τελεσθηναι εν εμοι το και μετα ανομων ελογισθη και γαρ τα το περι εμου τελος εχει
54. Luke 22:38
KJV: And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.
Greek: οι δε ειπον ειπαν κυριε ιδου μαχαιραι ωδε δυο ο δε ειπεν αυτοις ικανον εστιν
55. Buying and selling
Luke 22:36 … and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. [kjv]
ειπεν δε αυτοις αλλα νυν ο εχων βαλλαντιον αρατω ομοιως και πηραν και ο μη εχων πωλησατω το ιματιον αυτου και αγορασατω μαχαιραν [gnt]
Many people think of buying and selling as involving money. In business, as well as in, say, Internet commerce, one can sell many things that do not directly involve money. One can sell ideas - as do political movements, some non-profit organizations, etc.
One should think of "
barter" or "
exchange" of goods (of value) rather than "
money".
We see an example of this at the Last Supper, which happened shortly before the events of this verse.
56. John 13:4-5 Last supper
John 13:4 He riseth from supper, and laid aside his garments; and took a towel, and girded himself. [kjv]
εγειρεται εκ του δειπνου και τιθησιν τα ιματια και λαβων λεντιον διεζωσεν εαυτον [gnt]
13:5 After that he poureth water into a bason, and began to wash the disciples' feet, and to wipe them with the towel wherewith he was girded. [kjv]
ειτα βαλλει υδωρ εις τον νιπτηρα και ηρξατο νιπτειν τους ποδας των μαθητων και εκμασσειν τω λεντιω ω ην διεζωσμενος [gnt]
At the Last Supper, Jesus provides an example.
Jesus gives up his "garment", the same word used in Luke 22:36.
Jesus is said to take the role of a "servant". [deceptive progression]
He tells the disciples that as he has done to them, they should do to others - in the general sense and not in the specific example sense.
This then, appears to be the way that one "
sells" (gives up) his "
garment" to "
buy" (obtain) a "
sword" needed to access the "
tree of life".
57. John 13:4 Last supper
John 13:4 He riseth from supper, and laid aside his garments; and took a towel, and girded himself. [kjv]
εγειρεται εκ του δειπνου και τιθησιν τα ιματια και λαβων λεντιον διεζωσεν εαυτον [gnt]
The English, "
Jesus riseth ... and girded himself" has a double-meaning in the Greek.
"ἐγείρω" ≈ "awaken, raise up, erect a building" and, in context, "resurrect".
"διαζώσεν" ≈ "girded" using Greek "z" (what is written)
"διασώσεν" ≈ "saved" using Greek "s" (play on words)
Paraphrase of double-meaning and pun: The idea may be that to "
wakeup" and "
sell" your "
garment" to, with you attitude and behavior, "
buy" a "
sword", so that you can be "
saved".
58. John 13:4
KJV: He riseth from supper, and laid aside his garments; and took a towel, and girded himself.
Greek: εγειρεται εκ του δειπνου και τιθησιν τα ιματια και λαβων λεντιον διεζωσεν εαυτον
59. John 13:5
KJV: After that he poureth water into a bason, and began to wash the disciples' feet, and to wipe them with the towel wherewith he was girded.
Greek: ειτα βαλλει υδωρ εις τον νιπτηρα και ηρξατο νιπτειν τους ποδας των μαθητων και εκμασσειν τω λεντιω ω ην διεζωσμενος
60. Strongs - gird
- *G1241 *3 διαζώννυμι (dee-az-own'-noo-mee) : from G1223 and G2224; to gird tightly:--gird.
- διεζωσεν
- John 13:4 ... and took a towel, and girded himself.
- διεζωσμενος
- John 13:5 ... them with the towel wherewith he was girded.
- διεζωσατο
- John 21:7 ... that it was the Lord, he girt his fisher's coat unto him, (for he was ...
61. Usage - gird
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Words: διεζωσατο διεζωσεν διεζωσμενος
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*G1241 *3 διαζώννυμι (dee-az-own'-noo-mee) : from G1223 and G2224; to gird tightly:--gird.
62. Strongs - saved
- *G1295 *8 διασώζω (dee-as-odze'-o) : from G1223 and G4982; to save thoroughly, i.e. (by implication or analogy) to cure, preserve, rescue, etc.:--bring safe, escape (safe), heal, make perfectly whole, save.
- διεσωθησαν *2
- Matthew 14:36 ... and as many as touched were made perfectly whole.
- 1 Peter 3:20 ... is, eight souls were saved by water.
- διασωση
- Luke 7:3 ... him that he would come and heal his servant.
- διασωσωσι
- Acts 23:24 ... Paul on, and bring him safe unto Felix the governor.
- διασωσαι
- Acts 27:43 But the centurion, willing to save Paul, kept them ...
- διασωθηναι
- Acts 27:44 ... so it came to pass, that they escaped all safe to land.
- διασωθεντες
- Acts 28:1 And when they were escaped, then they knew that the island ...
- διασωθεντα
- Acts 28:4 ... is a murderer, whom, though he hath escaped the sea, yet vengeance ...
63. Usage - saved
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Words: διασωθεντα διασωθεντες διασωθηναι διασωσαι διασωση διασωσωσι διεσωθησαν=2
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*G1295 *8 διασώζω (dee-as-odze'-o) : from G1223 and G4982; to save thoroughly, i.e. (by implication or analogy) to cure, preserve, rescue, etc.:--bring safe, escape (safe), heal, make perfectly whole, save.
64. John 13:8-10 Establishing limits
John 13:8 Peter saith unto him, Thou shalt never wash my feet. Jesus answered him, If I wash thee not, thou hast no part with me. [kjv]
13:9 Simon Peter saith unto him, Lord, not my feet only, but also my hands and my head. [kjv]
13:10 Jesus saith to him, He that is washed needeth not save to wash his feet, but is clean every whit: and ye are clean, but not all. [kjv]
Peter wants his head washed too. Jesus tells him no. Pastors make up reasons for this. The bigger picture appears to be that one should "
love your neighbor as yourself". The "
as yourself" is needed as a negative feedback loop. One is
not to do things that violate obeying God's rules. Some modern thought makes "
loving your neighbor" the only rule and does not like to talk about any other rules that God might have established.
65. John 13:9 Establishing limits
John 13:9 Simon Peter saith unto him, Lord, not my feet only, but also my hands and my head. [kjv]
An interesting model is that of "
fish" as "
feet", "
pigs" as "
hands" and "
birds" as the "
eye" of a "
head". (Jesus). Jesus starts the ball rolling with "
sheep".
From the "
sheep" (false)
leaders as "
birds" attract "
fish" with (false)
light. From the "
fish" are recruited
leaders as "
pigs" to
influence and/
enforce. One is "
washed" in the "
blood" as "
fish" into "
sheep". Neither the (false) "
hands" as "
pigs" nor the (true) "
head" as
Jesus nor the (false) "
head" as "
birds" need be nor can be
washed.
66. John 13:8
KJV: Peter saith unto him, Thou shalt never wash my feet. Jesus answered him, If I wash thee not, thou hast no part with me.
Greek: λεγει αυτω πετρος ου μη νιψης μου τους ποδας μου εις τον αιωνα απεκριθη αυτω ο ιησους αυτω εαν μη νιψω σε ουκ εχεις μερος μετ εμου
67. John 13:9
KJV: Simon Peter saith unto him, Lord, not my feet only, but also my hands and my head.
Greek: λεγει αυτω σιμων πετρος κυριε μη τους ποδας μου μονον αλλα και τας χειρας και την κεφαλην
68. John 13:10
KJV: Jesus saith to him, He that is washed needeth not save to wash his feet, but is clean every whit: and ye are clean, but not all.
Greek: λεγει αυτω ο ιησους ο λελουμενος ου χρειαν ουκ εχει η χρειαν ει μη τους ποδας νιψασθαι αλλ εστιν καθαρος ολος και υμεις καθαροι εστε αλλ ουχι παντες
69. John 13:14-16
John 13:14 If I then, your Lord and Master, have washed your feet; ye also ought to wash one another's feet. [kjv]
13:15 For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you. [kjv]
υποδειγμα γαρ εδωκα υμιν ινα καθως εγω εποιησα υμιν και υμεις ποιητε [gnt]
13:16 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him. [kjv]
Jesus points out the "
example". That "
example" is to go to more than "
foot-washing". By the way, that "
foot-washing" was quite a "
feat".
If you do not give up your "
garment" to "
obtain" the "
sword", it could be that you are wearing a "
blazer". It might look "
hot" and "
flashy" now, but could get more hot later.
70. John 13:14
KJV: If I then, your Lord and Master, have washed your feet; ye also ought to wash one another's feet.
Greek: ει ουν εγω ενιψα υμων τους ποδας ο κυριος και ο διδασκαλος και υμεις οφειλετε αλληλων νιπτειν τους ποδας
71. John 13:15
KJV: For I have given you an example, that ye should do as I have done to you.
Greek: υποδειγμα γαρ εδωκα υμιν ινα καθως εγω εποιησα υμιν και υμεις ποιητε
72. John 13:16
KJV: Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him.
Greek: αμην αμην λεγω υμιν ουκ εστιν δουλος μειζων του κυριου αυτου ουδε αποστολος μειζων του πεμψαντος αυτον
73. Matthew 26:52
Matthew 26:52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword. [kjv]
τοτε λεγει αυτω ο ιησους αποστρεψον την μαχαιραν σου εις τον τοπον αυτης παντες γαρ οι λαβοντες μαχαιραν εν μαχαιρη απολουνται [gnt]
There appears to be a double (duel) meaning here. As the saying goes, "
those who live by the sword shall die by the sword". [take]
But using the "
flaming sword" model, one might say that "
those who take the sword without appropriately acquiring that sword will be destroyed/dissolved by that sword itself". That is, one cannot get to the tree of life without the appropriate sword (and flame). If one tries to get in by going around, as in the sheep pen, it will not work.
One needs to trade their "
garment" for the one at the foot-washing at the Last Supper, for an appropriate "
garment" (as at the parable of the wedding feast), and "
sword", to be provided.
74. Matthew 26:52
KJV: Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.
Greek: τοτε λεγει αυτω ο ιησους αποστρεψον σου την μαχαιραν σου εις τον τοπον αυτης παντες γαρ οι λαβοντες μαχαιραν εν μαχαιρα μαχαιρη απολουνται
75. Strongs - perish
- *G622 *90 ἀπόλλυμι (ap-ol'-loo-mee) : from G575 and the base of G3639; to destroy fully (reflexively, to perish, or lose), literally or figuratively:--destroy, die, lose, mar, perish.
- απολεσει *10
- Matthew 10:39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life ...
- Matthew 16:25 ... his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life ...
- Matthew 21:41 They say unto him, He will miserably destroy those wicked men, ...
- Mark 8:35 ... his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life ...
- Mark 12:9 ... do? he will come and destroy the husbandmen, and will give ...
- Luke 9:24 ... his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life ...
- Luke 17:33 ... his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.
- Luke 20:16 He shall come and destroy these husbandmen, and ...
- απολεσαι *7
- Matthew 2:13 ... will seek the young child to destroy him.
- Matthew 10:28 ... rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and ...
- Mark 1:24 ... thou Jesus of Nazareth? art thou come to destroy us? I know thee ...
- Luke 4:34 ... thou Jesus of Nazareth? art thou come to destroy us? I know thee ...
- Luke 6:9 ... to save life, or to destroy it?
- Luke 19:47 ... the chief of the people sought to destroy him,
- James 4:12 ... is able to save and to destroy: who art thou ...
- αποληται *7
- Matthew 5:29 ... of thy members should perish, and not that thy ...
- Matthew 5:30 ... of thy members should perish, and not that thy ...
- Matthew 18:14 ... of these little ones should perish.
- Luke 21:18 But there shall not an hair of your head perish.
- John 3:16 ... in him should not perish, but have ...
- John 6:12 ... that remain, that nothing be lost.
- John 11:50 ... that the whole nation perish not.
- απολεση *7
- Matthew 10:42 ... I say unto you, he shall in no wise lose his reward.
- Matthew 16:25 ... his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life ...
- Mark 9:22 ... into the waters, to destroy him: but if ...
- Mark 9:41 ... I say unto you, he shall not lose his reward.
- Luke 9:24 ... his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life ...
- Luke 15:8 ... ten pieces of silver, if she lose one piece, doth ...
- John 10:10 ... and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that ...
- απολεσωσιν *4
- Matthew 12:14 ... against him, how they might destroy him.
- Matthew 27:20 ... they should ask Barabbas, and destroy Jesus.
- Mark 3:6 ... against him, how they might destroy him.
- Mark 11:18 ... it, and sought how they might destroy him: for they feared ...
- απωλεσεν *4
- Matthew 22:7 ... he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and ...
- Luke 17:27 ... the flood came, and destroyed them all.
- Luke 17:29 ... from heaven, and destroyed them all.
- Jude 1:5 ... the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.
- απολουνται *4
- Matthew 26:52 ... all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.
- Luke 5:37 ... be spilled, and the bottles shall perish.
- Romans 2:12 ... have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and ...
- Hebrews 1:11 They shall perish; but thou remainest; and ...
- απωλετο *4
- John 17:12 ... none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; ...
- Acts 5:37 ... after him: he also perished; and all, even as many as ...
- James 1:11 ... the grace of the fashion of it perisheth: so also shall ...
- 2 Peter 3:6 ... that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
- απολλυμενοις *4
- 1 Corinthians 1:18 ... of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us ...
- 2 Corinthians 2:15 ... and in them that perish:
- 2 Corinthians 4:3 ... to them that are lost:
- 2 Thessalonians 2:10 ... deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not ...
- απωλοντο *4
- 1 Corinthians 10:10 ... also murmured, and were destroyed of the destroyer.
- 1 Corinthians 15:18 ... which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.
- Jude 1:11 ... of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core.
- Revelation 18:14 And the fruits that thy soul lusted after ...
- απολλυμεθα *3
- Matthew 8:25 ... Lord, save us: we perish.
- Mark 4:38 ... thou not that we perish?
- Luke 8:24 ... saying, Master, master, we perish. Then he arose, and rebuked ...
- απολεσας *3
- Matthew 10:39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life ...
- Luke 9:25 ... the whole world, and lose himself, or be cast away?
- Luke 15:4 ... sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it?
- απολωλος *3
- Luke 15:4 ... sheep, if he lose one of them, doth not leave the ninety and nine in the wilderness, and go after that which is lost, until he find it?
- Luke 15:6 ... my sheep which was lost.
- Luke 19:10 ... and to save that which was lost.
- απολωλοτα *2
- Matthew 10:6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
- Matthew 15:24 ... sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
- απολλυται *2
- Mark 2:22 ... is spilled, and the bottles will be marred: but new wine ...
- 1 Corinthians 8:11 ... thy knowledge shall the weak brother perish, for whom ...
- απολεισθε *2
- Luke 13:3 ... except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
- Luke 13:5 ... except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
- απολεσθαι *2
- Luke 13:33 ... cannot be that a prophet perish out of Jerusalem.
- 2 Peter 3:9 ... not willing that any should perish, but that all should come ...
- απωλεσα *2
- Luke 15:9 ... I have found the piece which I had lost.
- John 18:9 ... which thou gavest me have I lost none.
- απολωλως *2
- Luke 15:24 ... and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And ...
- Luke 15:32 ... is alive again; and was lost, and is found.
- απολλυνται
- Matthew 9:17 ... runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new ...
- απολομενου
- Luke 11:51 ... unto the blood of Zacharias, which perished between the altar and ...
- απολλυμαι
- Luke 15:17 ... enough and to spare, and I perish with hunger!
- απολλυμενην
- John 6:27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth ...
- απολεσω
- John 6:39 ... which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise ...
- απολωνται
- John 10:28 ... life; and they shall never perish, neither shall ...
- απολλυει
- John 12:25 He that loveth his life shall lose it; and he that hateth ...
- απολειται
- Acts 27:34 Wherefore I pray you to take some meat: for ...
- απολλυε
- Romans 14:15 ... walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with ...
- απολω
- 1 Corinthians 1:19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and ...
- απωλλυντο
- 1 Corinthians 10:9 ... also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.
- απολλυμενοι
- 2 Corinthians 4:9 ... cast down, but not destroyed;
- απολλυμενου
- 1 Peter 1:7 ... more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with ...
- απολεσητε
- 2 John 1:8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, ...
76. Usage - perish
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Words: απολεισθε=2 απολειται απολεσαι=7 απολεσας=3 απολεσει=10 απολεση=7 απολεσητε απολεσθαι=2 απολεσω απολεσωσιν=4 αποληται=7 απολλυε απολλυει απολλυμαι απολλυμεθα=3 απολλυμενην απολλυμενοι απολλυμενοις=4 απολλυμενου απολλυνται απολλυται=2 απολομενου απολουνται=4 απολω απολωλος=3 απολωλοτα=2 απολωλως=2 απολωνται απωλεσα=2 απωλεσεν=4 απωλετο=4 απωλλυντο απωλοντο=4
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77. Strongs - perish
*G622 *90 ἀπόλλυμι (ap-ol'-loo-mee) : from G575 and the base of G3639; to destroy fully (reflexively, to perish, or lose), literally or figuratively:--destroy, die, lose, mar, perish.
Matthew 26:52 Then said Jesus unto him, Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword. [kjv]
τοτε λεγει αυτω ο ιησους αποστρεψον την μαχαιραν σου εις τον τοπον αυτης παντες γαρ οι λαβοντες μαχαιραν εν μαχαιρη απολουνται [gnt]
The ancient Greek word
"ἀπόλλυμι" ≈ "destroy, perish". Throughout history, have "
all" who have taken up the "
sword" then died by the "
sword"? No. Does the statement by Jesus make sense? Is it incorrect?
Will "
all" those who try to "
take" the "
sword" that Jesus brought, rather than "
sell" their "
garment" to get that "
sword", be "
destroyed", say, by a "
flaming sword"? What happens to those "
garments" that were "
sold" to "
buy" a "
sword"?
78. Garments
Matthew 27:35 And they crucified him, and parted his garments, casting lots: … [kjv]
σταυρωσαντες δε αυτον διεμερισαντο τα ιματια αυτου βαλλοντες κληρον [gnt]
Mark 15:24 And when they had crucified him, they parted his garments, casting lots upon them, what every man should take. [kjv]
Luke 23:34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots. [kjv]
John 19:24 They said therefore among themselves, Let us not rend it, but cast lots for it, whose it shall be: that the scripture might be fulfilled, which saith, They parted my raiment among them, and for my vesture they did cast lots. These things therefore the soldiers did. [kjv]
79. Matthew 27:35
KJV: And they crucified him, and parted his garments, casting lots: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, They parted my garments among them, and upon my vesture did they cast lots.
Greek: σταυρωσαντες δε αυτον διεμερισαντο τα ιματια αυτου βαλλοντες κληρον ινα πληρωθη το ρηθεν υπο του προφητου διεμερισαντο τα ιματια μου εαυτοις και επι τον ιματισμον μου εβαλον κληρον
80. Mark 15:24
KJV: And when they had crucified him, they parted his garments, casting lots upon them, what every man should take.
Greek: και σταυρωσαντες σταυρουσιν αυτον διεμεριζον και διαμεριζονται τα ιματια αυτου βαλλοντες κληρον επ αυτα τις τι αρη
81. Luke 23:34
KJV: Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.
Greek: ο δε ιησους ελεγεν πατερ αφες αυτοις ου γαρ οιδασιν τι ποιουσιν διαμεριζομενοι δε τα ιματια αυτου εβαλον κληρον
82. John 19:24
KJV: They said therefore among themselves, Let us not rend it, but cast lots for it, whose it shall be: that the scripture might be fulfilled, which saith, They parted my raiment among them, and for my vesture they did cast lots. These things therefore the soldiers did.
Greek: ειπον ειπαν ουν προς αλληλους μη σχισωμεν αυτον αλλα λαχωμεν περι αυτου τινος εσται ινα η γραφη πληρωθη η λεγουσα διεμερισαντο τα ιματια μου εαυτοις και επι τον ιματισμον μου εβαλον κληρον οι μεν ουν στρατιωται ταυτα εποιησαν
83. Luke 2:34-35
Luke 2:34 And Simeon blessed them, and said unto Mary his mother, Behold, this child is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against; [kjv]
2:35 ( Yea, a sword shall pierce through thy own soul also,) that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed. [kjv]
και σου αυτης την ψυχην διελευσεται ρομφαια οπως αν αποκαλυφθωσιν εκ πολλων καρδιων διαλογισμοι [gnt]
Discuss: Might this "
sword" have something to do with the "
flaming sword" as discussed above?
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84. Luke 2:34
KJV: And Simeon blessed them, and said unto Mary his mother, Behold, this child is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against;
Greek: και ευλογησεν αυτους συμεων και ειπεν προς μαριαμ την μητερα αυτου ιδου ουτος κειται εις πτωσιν και αναστασιν πολλων εν τω ισραηλ και εις σημειον αντιλεγομενον
85. Luke 2:35
KJV: ( Yea, a sword shall pierce through thy own soul also,) that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed.
Greek: και σου δε αυτης την ψυχην διελευσεται ρομφαια οπως αν αποκαλυφθωσιν εκ πολλων καρδιων διαλογισμοι
86. Swords and flames
Luke 22:38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough. [kjv]
οι δε ειπαν κυριε ιδου μαχαιραι ωδε δυο ο δε ειπεν αυτοις ικανον εστιν [gnt]
As Jesus said about swords, "
enough". So, enough about swords. I think you get the "
point" as we "
edge" closer to the next topic.
Do we need something else besides the "
sword"? How about a "
flame"? You may have some "
burning" questions about "
flames". So "
fire away". I may have the "
perfect match" to start some "
fire works". If not, you may still be "
delighted".
So, let us follow the "
trail" and "
blaze" some new paths.
87. Calgary Flames
The Calgary Flames
NHL team started in Atlanta, GA, and then moved to Calgary in Canada.
The name comes from the "
burning of Atlanta" in 1864 as part of Abraham Lincoln's decision to reintroduce total war (to the world) against both military and civilian targets during the American Civil War. One can now see that this decision created far more long-term problems than it solved at the time.
A related song was "
The night they drove old Dixie down" from 1969 by the Canadian-American group called
The Band. The song has to do with Lincoln's strategy against both military and civilian targets as enacted in southern Virginia.
Discuss: Will we ever get to the point (again) where one group feels that the end justifies the means and that they can physically attack another group because of "
opinions" (on either or both sides)?
88. Flame
89. Strongs - blaze
- *G5394 *2 φλογίζω (flog-id'-zo) : from G5395; to cause a blaze, i.e. ignite (figuratively, to inflame with passion):--set on fire.
- φλογιζουσα
- James 3:6 ... body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell.
- φλογιζομενη
- James 3:6 ... body, and setteth on fire the course of nature; and it is set on fire of hell.
90. Usage - blaze
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Words: φλογιζομενη φλογιζουσα
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*G5394 *2 φλογίζω (flog-id'-zo) : from G5395; to cause a blaze, i.e. ignite (figuratively, to inflame with passion):--set on fire.
91. Exodus 3:1-4: Moses and the burning bush
Exodus 3:1 Now Moses kept the flock of Jethro his father in law, the priest of Midian: and he led the flock to the backside of the desert, and came to the mountain of God, even to Horeb. [kjv]
και μωυσης ην ποιμαινων τα προβατα ιοθορ του γαμβρου αυτου του ιερεως μαδιαμ και ηγαγεν τα προβατα υπο την ερημον και ηλθεν εις το ορος χωρηβ [lxx]
3:2 And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed. [kjv]
ωφθη δε αυτω αγγελος κυριου εν φλογι πυρος εκ του βατου και ορα οτι ο βατος καιεται πυρι ο δε βατος ου κατεκαιετο [lxx]
Go back to the time after Moses left Egypt the first time and was in Midian. What does the bush represent? This bush is the acacia bush which is a thorny bush. What do thorns represent?
Fire, in the Levitical sense, represented judgment. Brass, such as the brass pole with the serpent, could withstand fire. How could a thorny bush burn but not yet be consumed? Is that not strange?
92. Exodus 3:3-4 Name calling
93. Exodus 3:4 Moses
Exodus 3:4 And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I. [kjv]
ως δε ειδεν κυριος οτι προσαγει ιδειν εκαλεσεν αυτον κυριος εκ του βατου λεγων μωυση μωυση ο δε ειπεν τι εστιν [lxx]
וירא יהוה כי סר לראות ויקרא אליו אלהים מתוך הסנה ויאמר משה משה ויאמר הנני׃ [he]
The ancient Greek word
"Μωϋσῆς" ≈ "Moses". Another form is
"Μωϋσῆ" ≈ "Moses". Both are a transliteration of the Hebrew.
94. Exodus 3:3
KJV: And Moses said, I will now turn aside, and see this great sight, why the bush is not burnt.
Hebrew: ויאמר משה אסרה נא ואראה את המראה הגדל הזה מדוע לא יבער הסנה׃
Greek: ειπεν δε μωυσης παρελθων οψομαι το οραμα το μεγα τουτο τι οτι ου κατακαιεται ο βατος
Latin: dixit ergo Moses vadam et videbo visionem hanc magnam quare non conburatur rubus
Slavonic: Рече же Моисей: мимошед увижду видение великое сие, яко не сгарает купина.
95. Exodus 3:4
KJV: And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I.
Hebrew: וירא יהוה כי סר לראות ויקרא אליו אלהים מתוך הסנה ויאמר משה משה ויאמר הנני׃
Greek: ως δε ειδεν κυριος οτι προσαγει ιδειν εκαλεσεν αυτον κυριος εκ του βατου λεγων μωυση μωυση ο δε ειπεν τι εστιν
96. 1 Samuel 3 Calling of Samuel
1 Samuel 3:10 And the LORD came, and stood, and called as at other times, Samuel, Samuel. Then Samuel answered, Speak; for thy servant heareth. [kjv]
και ηλθεν κυριος και κατεστη και εκαλεσεν αυτον ως απαξ και απαξ και ειπεν σαμουηλ λαλει οτι ακουει ο δουλος σου [lxx]
… שמואלשמואל … שמואל … [he]
Samuel was called by God as a child,
four times until the message got through. And
each time God had to say his name
twice.
Wives should realize that this is not uncommon in men. To get their attention, you may need to say their name twice
and you may need to do it multiple times.
In fact, God not only had to call Moses twice, but had to light a fire to get his attention.
97. Midian an Arabia
Exodus 3:1 Now Moses kept the flock of Jethro his father in law, the priest of Midian: and he led the flock to the backside of the desert, and came to the mountain of God, even to Horeb. [kjv]
και μωυσης ην ποιμαινων τα προβατα ιοθορ του γαμβρου αυτου του ιερεως μαδιαμ και ηγαγεν τα προβατα υπο την ερημον και ηλθεν εις το ορος χωρηβ [lxx]
Midian is in Arabia. This would put Mount Sinai and Mount Horab in Arabia and
not in the Sinai Peninsula.
98. Exodus 3:1
KJV: Now Moses kept the flock of Jethro his father in law, the priest of Midian: and he led the flock to the backside of the desert, and came to the mountain of God, even to Horeb.
Hebrew: ומשה היה רעה את צאן יתרו חתנו כהן מדין וינהג את הצאן אחר המדבר ויבא אל הר האלהים חרבה׃
Greek: και μωυσης ην ποιμαινων τα προβατα ιοθορ του γαμβρου αυτου του ιερεως μαδιαμ και ηγαγεν τα προβατα υπο την ερημον και ηλθεν εις το ορος χωρηβ
Latin: Moses autem pascebat oves Iethro cognati sui sacerdotis Madian cumque minasset gregem ad interiora deserti venit ad montem Dei Horeb
Slavonic: Моисей же бяше пасый овцы Иофора тестя своего, священника Мадиамска: и гнаше овцы в пустыню, и прииде в гору Божию Хорив.
99. Mount Sinai in Arabia
Galatians 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. [kjv]
το δε αγαρ σινα ορος εστιν εν τη αραβια συστοιχει δε τη νυν ιερουσαλημ δουλευει μετα των τεκνων αυτης [gnt]
Some believe that Mount Horab was adjacent or near Mount Sinai. It appears very likely that Mount Sinai is
not in what is called the Sinai Peninsula. It is, as Paul says, in
Arabia. Exodus (Moses) tells is that it is in
Midian which is in
Arabia.
100. Helena and Rome under Constantine
The mother of Constantine,
Helena, toured the Roman Empire looking for historical sites of the Bible. Wherever these sites were declared, religious sites, churches, monasteries, etc., sprang up.
It was convenient that two important sites were found by Helena within the bounds of the Roman Empire at that time, despite Biblical indications that the site was elsewhere.
Noah's Ark in Turkey (Bible appears to indicate Iran, in Genesis).
Mount Sinai in the Sinai Peninsula (in two places the Bible indicates Arabia)
101. Matthew 3:10-11
Matthew 3:10 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. [kjv]
ηδη δε η αξινη προς την ριζαν των δενδρων κειται παν ουν δενδρον μη ποιουν καρπον καλον εκκοπτεται και εις πυρ βαλλεται [gnt]
3:11 I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire: [kjv]
εγω μεν υμας βαπτιζω εν υδατι εις μετανοιαν ο δε οπισω μου ερχομενος ισχυροτερος μου εστιν ου ουκ ειμι ικανος τα υποδηματα βαστασαι αυτος υμας βαπτισει εν πνευματι αγιω και πυρι [gnt]
John the Baptist talks of "
fire" in two ways. Might they be related? That is, without the "
sword", that "
flame" might get pretty hot.
The English idiom
"baptism by fire" means a painful process of doing something new. What does John mean that the coming one will "
baptize with fire"? What might be the purpose of that "
fire" or "
flame"? Might it be it related to the "
flaming sword"?
102. Matthew 3:12
Matthew 3:12 Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire. [kjv]
ου το πτυον εν τη χειρι αυτου και διακαθαριει την αλωνα αυτου και συναξει τον σιτον αυτου εις την αποθηκην το δε αχυρον κατακαυσει πυρι ασβεστω [gnt]
The next verse appears to be related to the previous verse.
There are some people who think they will never encounter the "
unquenchable fire". That is, until they "
meet their match" and become "
enlightened".
The Greek word for "
red" is related to the ancient Greek word
"πῦρ" ≈ "fire" which is from the
PIE (Proto Indo-European) root
"*PEHWR" ≈ "fire".
103. Matthew 3:12
KJV: Whose fan is in his hand, and he will throughly purge his floor, and gather his wheat into the garner; but he will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.
Greek: ου το πτυον εν τη χειρι αυτου και διακαθαριει την αλωνα αυτου και συναξει τον σιτον αυτου εις την αποθηκην το δε αχυρον κατακαυσει πυρι ασβεστω
104. Matthew 3:10
KJV: And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Greek: ηδη δε και η αξινη προς την ριζαν των δενδρων κειται παν ουν δενδρον μη ποιουν καρπον καλον εκκοπτεται και εις πυρ βαλλεται
105. Matthew 3:11
KJV: I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
Greek: εγω μεν βαπτιζω υμας βαπτιζω εν υδατι εις μετανοιαν ο δε οπισω μου ερχομενος ισχυροτερος μου εστιν ου ουκ ειμι ικανος τα υποδηματα βαστασαι αυτος υμας βαπτισει εν πνευματι αγιω και πυρι
106. Mark 9:48-50
107. Mark 9:48
KJV: Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
Greek: οπου ο σκωληξ αυτων ου τελευτα και το πυρ ου σβεννυται
108. Mark 9:49
KJV: For every one shall be salted with fire, @CZ(t=[ and every sacrifice shall be salted with salt. ])
Greek: πας γαρ πυρι αλισθησεται και πασα θυσια αλι αλισθησεται
109. Mark 9:50
KJV: Salt is good: but if the salt have lost his saltness, wherewith will ye season it? Have salt in yourselves, and have peace one with another.
Greek: καλον το αλας εαν δε το αλας αναλον γενηται εν τινι αυτο αρτυσετε εχετε εν εαυτοις αλας αλα και ειρηνευετε εν αλληλοις
110. A tongue in cheek model for Pentecost
Acts 2:3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. [kjv]
και ωφθησαν αυτοις διαμεριζομεναι γλωσσαι ωσει πυρος και εκαθισεν εφ ενα εκαστον αυτων [gnt]
… dispertitae linguae … [v]
At Pentecost, the Holy Spirit provided the impetus for "
speaking in tongues". To provide understanding, a model is presented of this phenomena with a
Universal Language from the creation, through the Tower of Babel, to Pentecost to Paul on the road to Damascus and to speaking in tongues in general.
The "
flame" that rested on each head may have special significance.
111. United Methodist logo
The United Methodist "
Cross and flame" logo uses a red flame, since 1968 when the United Methodist church was formed as a merger of the (mostly southern) Methodist Church and (mostly other areas) Evangelical United Brethren Church.
The cross represents Christ and the flame represents the Holy Spirit as in the "
flames of fire" at Pentecost in Acts 2:3. The two flames are to represent each of the two churches that united.
Before the
EUB (Evangelical United Brethren) Church merged with the Methodist Church, we were told that we get to keep the "
United" and they get to keep the "
Methodist".
112. Song: Pass it on
At Pentecost, split flames anointed the heads of those present. The United Methodist logo is based in the split flames at Pentecost.
Acts 2:3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. [kjv]
The popular Christian song "
Pass it on" is from 1969 by Kurt Kaiser.
113. Verse 1
It only takes a spark to get a fire going,
And soon all those around
can warm up in its glowing;
That's how it is with God's Love,
Once you've experienced it,
Your spread the love to everyone
You want to pass it on.
114. Verse 2
What a wondrous time is spring,
When all the tress are budding
The birds begin to sing,
the flowers start their blooming;
That’s how it is with God’s love,
Once you’ve experienced it.
You want to sing, it’s fresh like spring,
You want to pass it on.
115. Verse 3
I wish for you my friend
This happiness that I've found;
You can depend on God
It matters not where you're bound,
I'll shout it from the mountain top - praise God!
I want the world to know
The Lord of love has come to me
I want to pass it on.
116. Tongues of fire
Acts 2:3 … appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire… [kjv]
και ωφθησαν αυτοις διαμεριζομεναι γλωσσαι ωσει πυρος και εκαθισεν εφ ενα εκαστον αυτων [gnt]
Flames, such as on a candle, have what appears to be one flame. It is not exactly clear as to how a cloven or split flame would appear. The English word
"cloven" comes from
"cleave" which means to "
cut" or "
slice". Thus, the idea of "
split flames".
*G5394 *2 φλογίζω (flog-id'-zo) : from G5395; to cause a blaze, i.e. ignite (figuratively, to inflame with passion):--set on fire.
One cannot have a physical "
tongue" split into a large number of pieces. The ancient Greek word
"διαμερίζω" ≈ "divided into parts" as in the "
distribution" of bread to the "
poor". The flame "
appeared" as if it had "
many parts". This idea may fit the "
flaming sword" of Genesis 3:24.
It would appear that the "
Holy Spirit", as at Pentecost, provides the "
flame" part of the "
flaming sword" that keeps us from the way of life. Might this be part of the meaning of being "
on fire for Christ"?
117. Passwords
In the security field, a
password or
pass-code is sometimes used as an abstract key to limit access to some resource. A
split password as a password that is divided into parts and each part given to a different person such that all the people with parts of the key need to agree to use that key by supplying their part of the overall key. The nuclear codes for the nuclear button work in a similar manner.
In a simple analogy, think of a combination lock with three numbers forming a combination
x-y-z.
Number x given to person 1.
Number y given to person 2.
Number z given to person 3.
To open the combination lock (the way it was intended to be opened, without guessing, without using a bolt cutter, etc.) each person needs to supply their part of the combination.
118. Access mechanisms
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In this model, one needs two things, much like a "
split password", to get through the way to the "
tree of life".
Jesus provides the "sword" for your "garment" and a "servant" attitude.
The Holy Spirit provides the "flame" so you can be "on fire for Christ".
This model requires that one have both "
Jesus" and the "
Holy Spirit" and not just one of them.
119. Model
The model presented appears to provide a consistent model for many verses that previously did not appear to be directly related.
The "flaming sword" of Genesis 3:24.
Jesus coming to bring a "sword" in Matthew 10:34.
Jesus telling disciples to "sell" their "garment" and "buy" a "sword" in Luke 22:36.
Jesus saying that those who "take" the "sword" will be destroyed with the "sword" in Matthew 26:52.
John the Baptist saying that the coming one would baptize with the Holy Spirit and "with fire" in Matthew 3:11.
The "cloven tongues" like "fire" at Pentecost in Acts 2:3.
In software development, once a better model is discovered, the previous code becomes simpler and many unneeded parts can be removed.
In Biblical terms, unneeded concepts can now be ignored and the essential parts that remain can provided a better understanding of the meaning of the texts.
120. Revelation
Revelation 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. [kjv]
και εκ του στοματος αυτου εκπορευεται ρομφαια οξεια ινα εν αυτη παταξη τα εθνη και αυτος ποιμανει αυτους εν ραβδω σιδηρα και αυτος πατει την ληνον του οινου του θυμου της οργης του θεου του παντοκρατορος [gnt]
… gladius acutus … torcular … furoris … [v]
The book of Revelation uses the word "
sword" in nine
verses. Might any of these be related to the "
flaming sword" of Genesis 3:24.
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121. Revelation 19:15
KJV: And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
Greek: και εκ του στοματος αυτου εκπορευεται ρομφαια οξεια ινα εν αυτη πατασση παταξη τα εθνη και αυτος ποιμανει αυτους εν ραβδω σιδηρα και αυτος πατει την ληνον του οινου του θυμου και της οργης του θεου του παντοκρατορος
Latin: et de ore ipsius procedit gladius acutus ut in ipso percutiat gentes et ipse reget eos in virga ferrea et ipse calcat torcular vini furoris irae Dei omnipotentis
122. Military cavalry
The United States Army cavalry logo consists of the crossed sabers. The armored calvary logo adds a tank.
The old German word
"panzer" ≈ "shield, armor" became associated with the German battle tanks during World War II.
Bible prophecy that uses the word for "horses" and/or "swords" and/or "chariots" may indicate "tanks".
Bible prophecy that uses the word for "grasshoppers" or other "insects" may refer to "helicopters".
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123. Song: Battle Hymn of the Republic
When the song was sung at a rally attended by President Lincoln, he cried out with tears in his eyes, "Sing it again!" (GodTube.com)
Julia Ward Howe (1819-1910) wrote the "
Battle Hymn of the Republic" in 1861 at the outbreak of the American Civil War, being asked to write new words for "
John Brown's body lies a-mouldering in the grave" to the popular tune "
Glory, Hallelujah".
The tune and words soon spread to troops, slaves, prisoners, etc.
124. Verse 1
Mine eyes have seen the
glory of the
coming of the Lord;
he is trampling out the vintage
where the grapes of
wrath are stored;
he hath loosed the fateful
lightning of his
terrible swift sword;
His
truth is marching on.
125. Refrain
Glory, glory, hallelujah!
Glory, glory, hallelujah!
Glory, glory, hallelujah!
His truth is marching on.
126. End of page
We need an appropriate "flame".
