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Your cup makes me drunk
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1. Your cup makes me drunk
Verse routePsalms 23:5 Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over. [kjv]

The KJV (King James Version) says "my cup runneth over" which is usually taken to mean that one has more than enough of what is needed.

The physical meaning of the verse may not be what is intended. When my coffee cup runneth over, I have to cleanneth it up.

The LXX (Septuagint) has something that appears quite different and addresses the cup as "you" or the cup as someone else's cup.
2. Exercise
Verse routePsalms 23:5 … my cup runneth over. [kjv]

When your cup "runneth" over, you are not really getting exercise. Here are some ways to get exercise.
  • Run your mouth.
  • Jump to conclusions.
  • Take leaps of faith.
  • Push your luck.
  • Carry things too far.
  • Dodge responsibilities.
  • Exercise restraint.
    		•

    You get the idea. There are many sayings that use exercise terminology but are not actually about physical exercise.


    3. The game of cleaning both sides of the bowl
    Sometimes justifying your actions with Bible verses does not work.
    Verse routeMatthew 23:26 Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also. [kjv]
    Verse routeφαρισαιε τυφλε καθαρισον πρωτον το εντος του ποτηριου και της παροψιδος ινα γενηται και το εκτος αυτου καθαρον [gnt]
    Verse route… munda … calicis … parapsidis … mundum [v]

    The cupA bowl is somewhat like a cup. When washing dishes after making pancakes (using ground grain flour) the bowel may have dried flour on it. I have been told that although the inside of the cup is clean, the outside of the cup has gritty grain on it which is unacceptable.

    I tried using the above verses to justify thoroughly cleaning the inside of the cup and not fully cleaning the outside of the bowl, but that analogy was not accepted. How can we wash the inside to be "white as snow"?
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    4. Verse
    Here is Psalms 23:5 in more detail.
    5. Psalms 23:5
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    KJV: Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil; my cup runneth over.
    Hebrew: תערך לפני שלחן נגד צררי דשנת בשמן ראשי כוסי רויה׃
    Greek: ητοιμασας ενωπιον μου τραπεζαν εξ εναντιας των θλιβοντων με ελιπανας εν ελαιω την κεφαλην μου και το ποτηριον σου μεθυσκον ως κρατιστον
    Latin: pones coram me mensam ex adverso hostium meorum inpinguasti oleo caput meum calix meus inebrians
    6. Latin
    The Latin word "calix" ≈ "cup" is from the ancient Greek word "κάλυς" ≈ "cup" and is the source of the English word "chalice".

    The Latin word "inebrians" ≈ "intoxicating".
    7. Hebrew
    Here are the relevant Hebrew words.
    8. Strongs - my cup
    9. Strongs - runs over
    10. Greek
    Here we are interested in the relevant Greek words from the LXX.
    11. Diminutives
    A diminutive is a word that as based on another word and refers to a smaller instance of whatever that word means.

    Most languages have some way to create diminutive words from a word.

    One way to create a diminutive word in Greek is to appropriately add the "-ιον" suffix to a word.
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    12. Matthew 26:27
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    KJV: And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink ye all of it;
    Hebrew: ויקח את הכוס ויברך ויתן להם לאמר שתו ממנה כלכם׃
    Greek: και λαβων το ποτηριον και ευχαριστησας εδωκεν αυτοις λεγων πιετε εξ αυτου παντες
    Latin: et accipiens calicem gratias egit et dedit illis dicens bibite ex hoc omnes
    Wessex: Aend he genam þanne calic þanciende & sealde heom þus cweðende. Drinkað ealle of þisen.
    Wycliffe: And he took the cuppe, and dide thankyngis, and yaf to hem,
    Luther: Und er nahm den Kelch und dankete, gab ihnen den und sprach: Trinket alle daraus!
    Spanish: Y tomando la copa, habiendo dado gracias, les dio, diciendo: Bebed de ella todos;
    13. Strongs - cup
    14. Drunk freely
    The ancient Greek word "μεθυσηωσιν" ≈ "they might have drunk freely".

    The ancient Greek word "μεθύω" ≈ "to get drunk" from the ancient Greek word "μέθη" ≈ "wine" which goes back to the PIE (Proto Indo-European) root "MEDU" ≈ "honey, mead" with cognate words in many other languages.
    Future topic Details are left as a future topic.

    15. John 2:10
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    KJV: And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now.
    Hebrew: ויאמר אליו כל איש יתן בראשונה את היין הטוב וכאשר ישכרו יתן להם את הגרוע ואתה צפנת היין הטוב עד עתה׃
    Greek: και λεγει αυτω πας ανθρωπος πρωτον τον καλον οινον τιθησιν και οταν μεθυσθωσιν τοτε τον ελασσω συ τετηρηκας τον καλον οινον εως αρτι
    16. Strongs - drink freely
    17. Pentecost
    We see the word used at Pentecost.
    18. Acts 2:15
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    KJV: For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.
    Greek: ου γαρ ως υμεις υπολαμβανετε ουτοι μεθυουσιν εστιν γαρ ωρα τριτη της ημερας
    Latin: non enim sicut vos aestimatis hii ebrii sunt cum sit hora diei tertia
    Wycliffe: For not as ye wenen, these ben dronkun, whanne it is the thridde our of the dai;
    Tyndale: These are not dronken as ye suppose: for it is yet but the thyrde houre of ye daye.
    Luther: Denn diese sind nicht trunken, wie ihr wähnet, sintemal es ist die dritte Stunde am Tage.
    19. Latin
    The Latin word "ebrius" ≈ "drunk, intoxicated" and is the source of the English word "inebriate".
    20. Most excellent
    The ancient Greek word "κράτιστε" ≈ "most excellent" and is sometimes translated in the KJV as "noble".
    21. Luke 1:3
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    KJV: It seemed good to me also, having had perfect understanding of all things from the very first, to write unto thee in order, most excellent Theophilus,
    Greek: εδοξεν καμοι παρηκολουθηκοτι ανωθεν πασιν ακριβως καθεξης σοι γραψαι κρατιστε θεοφιλε
    Latin: visum est et mihi adsecuto a principio omnibus diligenter ex ordine tibi scribere optime Theophile
    22. Strongs - excellent
    23. Septuagint
    An interesting part of the LXX in this verse is the ancient Greek word "σου" ≈ "you" as in something like the following. That is, the cup appears to be addressed as "you" as if one can talk to the cup or it might be someone else's cup - such as a cup of the enemy (or enemies).

    Here are some translations that are based on the LXX (or different from the traditional translations).
    24. Brenton Septuagint
    The Brenton Septuagint has the following translation. The "thy" in "thy cup" fits the Greek "you". Whose cup might it be?
    25. Douay-Rheims
    The Douay-Rheims has the following translation.
    26. Aramaic Bible in Plain English
    27. Idioms
    It is not clear if this might be a Hebrew idiom or a Greek idiom.
    28. Daniel 4: Witness statement of a non-Jew
    In Daniel, the Babylonian King Nebuchadnezzar is sometimes depicted as a narcissistic, overbearing and unreasonable person. Perhaps this is undercut the authority given by God to some on earth.

    The Jewish scriptures, known from the Christian viewpoint as the OT (Old Testament), were written in Hebrew. Well, almost all of them. And all were written by Jews, with the interesting exception of Daniel 4.

    Daniel 4 is written in Aramaic, is written in the first person, and is the .witness statement of King Nebuchadnezzar.
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