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1. Building a house on sand continued
This page is a continuation of the page at Matthew 7:24-27 Building a house on sand. That page looked at the parable of the house built on rock and the house built on sand.

One interesting idea from that page was that the modern world economy (from Greek word for "house") is built in computer technology which is based an silicon chips which are built using "sand".

This page continues with another idea based on the same parable. Note that, as in any parable of Jesus, it is possible for the parable to be true in many different ways, not just one (and only one) "correct" way.

2. Matthew 7 Houses built on rock and sand
House on rock words House on sand words
Here are some links to a series of pages on the houses built on rock and on sand.
Here are some songs related to houses build on sand or rock.

3. Hierarchy.
Another page, at Exodus 18: Hierarchy as a man-made tree structure, looked an the (flat) hierarchy of Jesus and the (deep) hierarchy of man.

4. Arrive
Donkey to Shrek (over and over): "Are we there yet?" (Movie Shrek 2, 2004)

The modern Greek word "φτάσαμε" (FTA-sa-meh) ≈ "we arrive" or, as a question asked by kids (and some adults), "Are we there (yet)?".
Matthew 3:10 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. [kjv]
ηδη δε η αξινη προς την ριζαν των δενδρων κειται παν ουν δενδρον μη ποιουν καρπον καλον εκκοπτεται και εις πυρ βαλλεται [gnt]

The ancient Greek word "φθάνω""overtake, catch up with, come before".

5. Strongs - arrive
*G5348 *7 φθάνω (fthan'-o) : apparently a primary verb; to be beforehand, i.e. anticipate or precede; by extension, to have arrived at:--(already) attain, come, prevent.
Word usage per chapter Words: εφθασαμεν=2 εφθασεν=4 φθασωμεν



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6. Usage - arrive
  • *G5348 *7 φθάνω (fthan'-o) : apparently a primary verb; to be beforehand, i.e. anticipate or precede; by extension, to have arrived at:--(already) attain, come, prevent.
  •  Usage 
     All 
    • εφθασεν *4
      •   Matthew 12:28 ... then the kingdom of God is come unto you.
      •   Luke 11:20 ... no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.
      •   Romans 9:31 ... the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness.
      •   1 Thessalonians 2:16 ... alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.
    • εφθασαμεν *2
      •   2 Corinthians 10:14 ... unto you: for we are come as far as to you also ...
      •   Philippians 3:16 Nevertheless, where to we have already attained, let us walk by the same ...
    • φθασωμεν
      •   1 Thessalonians 4:15 ... the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.


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7. Latin and Greek
It is interesting to compare the original Greek with the Latin meanings. A common translation pattern is that of a more active Greek meaning being changed into a more passive Latin meaning. Discuss: Why might this be the case? The modern Greek word "φτάσαμε" (FTA-sa-meh) ≈ "Are we there?" is a favorite question of children riding on a long trip.

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8. Overtake in Matthew and Luke
Matthew 12:28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you. [kjv]
ει δε εν πνευματι θεου εγω εκβαλλω τα δαιμονια αρα εφθασεν εφ υμας η βασιλεια του θεου [gnt]
eicio daemonespervenitregnum Dei [v]
Luke 11:20 But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you. [kjv]
ει δε εν δακτυλω θεου εγω εκβαλλω τα δαιμονια αρα εφθασεν εφ υμας η βασιλεια του θεου [gnt]

Jesus, as Matthew records, usually uses the code phrase "kingdom of heaven". This is one of five places where Jesus, as recorded by Matthew, uses "kingdom of God".

The ancient Greek word "φθάνω""overtake, catch up with, come before". Discuss:

9. Matthew 12:25
Matthew 12:25 And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand: [kjv]
ειδως δε τας ενθυμησεις αυτων ειπεν αυτοις πασα βασιλεια μερισθεισα καθ εαυτης ερημουται και πασα πολις η οικια μερισθεισα καθ εαυτης ου σταθησεται [gnt]

The ancient Greek word "ἴστημι""make to stand, stop, rouse, weight". From this comes "σταθμός""standing place". The modern Greek word "σταθμός" (stath-MOS) ≈ "station" as in a train station.

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10. Matthew 12:26,28 Arrive on target
Matthew 12:26 And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand? [kjv]
και ει ο σατανας τον σαταναν εκβαλλει εφ εαυτον εμερισθη πως ουν σταθησεται η βασιλεια αυτου [gnt]

12:28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you. [kjv]
ει δε εν πνευματι θεου εγω εκβαλλω τα δαιμονια αρα εφθασεν εφ υμας η βασιλεια του θεου [gnt]

Compare:

11. Three
There are (at least) three words in the LXX (Septuagint) and GNT (Greek New Testament) that refer to a tree (of some kind) or a part of the tree.

12. Amos 2:9
Amos 2:9 Yet destroyed I the Amorite before them, whose height was like the height of the cedars, and he was strong as the oaks; yet I destroyed his fruit from above, and his roots from beneath. [kjv]
εγω δε εξηρα τον αμορραιον εκ προσωπου αυτων ου ην καθως υψος κεδρου το υψος αυτου και ισχυρος ην ως δρυς και εξηρα τον καρπον αυτου επανωθεν και τας ριζας αυτου υποκατωθεν [lxx]

The ancient Greek word "δρῦς""tree, timber, oak" and is related to the English word "druid".

13. Amos 2:9
   Amos 2:9 
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KJV: Yet destroyed I the Amorite before them, whose height was like the height of the cedars, and he was strong as the oaks; yet I destroyed his fruit from above, and his roots from beneath.
Hebrew: ואנכי השמדתי את האמרי מפניהם אשר כגבה ארזים גבהו וחסן הוא כאלונים ואשמיד פריו ממעל ושרשיו מתחת׃
Greek: εγω δε εξηρα τον αμορραιον εκ προσωπου αυτων ου ην καθως υψος κεδρου το υψος αυτου και ισχυρος ην ως δρυς και εξηρα τον καρπον αυτου επανωθεν και τας ριζας αυτου υποκατωθεν

14. Matthew 26:34 Three and tree
Matthew 26:34 Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, That this night, before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice. [kjv]
εφη αυτω ο ιησους αμην λεγω σοι οτι εν ταυτη τη νυκτι πριν αλεκτορα φωνησαι τρις απαρνηση με [gnt]

Three and tree
Holy Trinity 1
Jesus does not use the word or idea of "three" in a good sense. The idea of the "trinity" was developed hundreds of years later.

Jesus does not use the idea of a "tree", representing human infrastructure as in a house built on sand, in a good sense.


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15. Genesis 1:11-13 A seed within itself, the chicken or the egg
In Genesis 1:11-12 we have an example of this with fruit, "whose seed is in itself". Modern self-replicating programs provide an example of this idea.
Genesis 1:11 And God said, Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb yielding seed, and the fruit tree yielding fruit after his kind, whose seed is in itself, upon the earth: and it was so. [kjv]
και ειπεν ο θεος βλαστησατω η γη βοτανην χορτου σπειρον σπερμα κατα γενος και καθ ομοιοτητα και ξυλον καρπιμον ποιουν καρπον ου το σπερμα αυτου εν αυτω κατα γενος επι της γης και εγενετο ουτως [lxx]

Chicken and Egg Tree with twigs - fruit Tree and seed
Which came first, the chicken or the egg?

Which came first, the tree or the seed?
The question, "Which came first, the chicken or the egg?" refers to a symbiotic situation where there are two objects that each depend on the other and the problem is to determine which came first.

Somehow, the information for the egg needs to be within the chicken. This is a self-referential system. The situation is simpler in regards to plants which are much more like fractals.

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16. Stephan and Paul an Acts
Stephen is speaking. Saul, later Paul, was a witness.
Acts 5:30 The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree. [kjv]
ο θεος των πατερων ημων ηγειρεν ιησουν ον υμεις διεχειρισασθε κρεμασαντες επι ξυλου [gnt]

Paul later uses this idea.
10:39 And we are witnesses of all things which he did both in the land of the Jews, and in Jerusalem; whom they slew and hanged on a tree: [kjv]
και ημεις μαρτυρες παντων ων εποιησεν εν τε τη χωρα των ιουδαιων και ιερουσαλημ ον και ανειλαν κρεμασαντες επι ξυλου [gnt]



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17. Strongs - tree
*G3586 *20 ξύλον (xoo'-lon) : from another form of the base of G3582; timber (as fuel or material); by implication, a stick, club or tree or other wooden article or substance:--staff, stocks, tree, wood.
Word usage per chapter Words: ξυλα ξυλον=5 ξυλου=8 ξυλω ξυλων=5



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18. Usage - tree
  • *G3586 *20 ξύλον (xoo'-lon) : from another form of the base of G3582; timber (as fuel or material); by implication, a stick, club or tree or other wooden article or substance:--staff, stocks, tree, wood.
  •  Usage 
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    • ξυλου *8
      •   Acts 5:30 ... slew and hanged on a tree.
      •   Acts 10:39 ... they slew and hanged on a tree:
      •   Acts 13:29 ... they took him down from the tree, and laid him in a sepulchre.
      •   Galatians 3:13 ... that hangeth on a tree:
      •   Revelation 2:7 ... will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is ...
      •   Revelation 18:12 ... all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, ...
      •   Revelation 22:2 ... on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
      •   Revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words ...
    • ξυλων *5
      •   Matthew 26:47 ... with swords and staves, from the chief priests and ...
      •   Matthew 26:55 ... with swords and staves for to take me? I sat ...
      •   Mark 14:43 ... with swords and staves, from the chief priests and ...
      •   Mark 14:48 ... with swords and with staves to take me?
      •   Luke 22:52 ... with swords and staves?
    • ξυλον *5
      •   Acts 16:24 ... feet fast in the stocks.
      •   1 Peter 2:24 ... his own body on the tree, that we, being dead ...
      •   Revelation 18:12 ... all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, ...
      •   Revelation 22:2 ... on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
      •   Revelation 22:14 ... may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in ...
    • ξυλω
      •   Luke 23:31 ... these things in a green tree, what shall be done in the dry?
    • ξυλα
      •   1 Corinthians 3:12 ... silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;


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19. Matthew 26:47,55 Wooden staves
Matthew 26:47 And while he yet spake, lo, Judas, one of the twelve, came, and with him a great multitude with swords and staves, from the chief priests and elders of the people. [kjv]
και ετι αυτου λαλουντος ιδου ιουδας εις των δωδεκα ηλθεν και μετ αυτου οχλος πολυς μετα μαχαιρων και ξυλων απο των αρχιερεων και πρεσβυτερων του λαου [gnt]

26:55 In that same hour said Jesus to the multitudes, Are ye come out as against a thief with swords and staves for to take me? I sat daily with you teaching in the temple, and ye laid no hold on me. [kjv]
εν εκεινη τη ωρα ειπεν ο ιησους τοις οχλοις ως επι ληστην εξηλθατε μετα μαχαιρων και ξυλων συλλαβειν με καθ ημεραν εν τω ιερω εκαθεζομην διδασκων και ουκ εκρατησατε με [gnt]


20. Matthew 26:47
 All 
KJV: And while he yet spake, lo, Judas, one of the twelve, came, and with him a great multitude with swords and staves, from the chief priests and elders of the people.
Greek: και ετι αυτου λαλουντος ιδου ιουδας εις των δωδεκα ηλθεν και μετ αυτου οχλος πολυς μετα μαχαιρων και ξυλων απο των αρχιερεων και πρεσβυτερων του λαου

21. Matthew 26:55
 All 
KJV: In that same hour said Jesus to the multitudes, Are ye come out as against a thief with swords and staves for to take me? I sat daily with you teaching in the temple, and ye laid no hold on me.
Greek: εν εκεινη τη ωρα ειπεν ο ιησους τοις οχλοις ως επι ληστην εξηλθετε εξηλθατε μετα μαχαιρων και ξυλων συλλαβειν με καθ ημεραν προς υμας εκαθεζομην διδασκων εν τω ιερω εκαθεζομην διδασκων και ουκ εκρατησατε με

22. Revelation 2:7 Tree of life
Revelation 2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God. [kjv]
ο εχων ους ακουσατω τι το πνευμα λεγει ταις εκκλησιαις τω νικωντι δωσω αυτω φαγειν εκ του ξυλου της ζωης ο εστιν εν τω παραδεισω του θεου [gnt]

Jesus uses the phrase "he that hath an ear" to indicate that there are some play on words being used in the area of this statement. Many of these have prophetic meaning.

One should seek to eat of the "tree" of "life" and not of the "tree" of the "law" where the "birds" come to "reside".

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23. Revelation 18:12
Revelation 18:12 The merchandise of gold, and silver, and precious stones, and of pearls, and fine linen, and purple, and silk, and scarlet, and all thyine wood, and all manner vessels of ivory, and all manner vessels of most precious wood, and of brass, and iron, and marble, [kjv]
γομον χρυσου και αργυρου και λιθου τιμιου και μαργαριτων και βυσσινου και πορφυρας και σιρικου και κοκκινου και παν ξυλον θυινον και παν σκευος ελεφαντινον και παν σκευος εκ ξυλου τιμιωτατου και χαλκου και σιδηρου και μαρμαρου [gnt]

This verse covers a lot of precious and valuable material and goods.

Why is it "wood" in some places and a "book" in other places?

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24. Revelation 22:2
Revelation 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. [kjv]
εν μεσω της πλατειας αυτης και του ποταμου εντευθεν και εκειθεν ξυλον ζωης ποιουν καρπους δωδεκα κατα μηνα εκαστον αποδιδουν τον καρπον αυτου και τα φυλλα του ξυλου εις θεραπειαν των εθνων [gnt]

Why is it "wood" in some places and a "book" in other places?

25. Revelation 22:2
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KJV: In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
Greek: εν μεσω της πλατειας αυτης και του ποταμου εντευθεν και εντευθεν εκειθεν ξυλον ζωης ποιουν καρπους δωδεκα κατα μηνα ενα εκαστον αποδιδουν τον καρπον αυτου και τα φυλλα του ξυλου εις θεραπειαν των εθνων

26. Revelation 22:14 Washing of the robes
Revelation 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. [kjv]
μακαριοι οι πλυνοντες τας στολας αυτων ινα εσται η εξουσια αυτων επι το ξυλον της ζωης και τοις πυλωσιν εισελθωσιν εις την πολιν [gnt]


27. Revelation 22:14
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KJV: Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Greek: μακαριοι οι ποιουντες πλυνοντες τας εντολας αυτου στολας αυτων ινα εσται η εξουσια αυτων επι το ξυλον της ζωης και τοις πυλωσιν εισελθωσιν εις την πολιν

28. Revelation 22:19 Penalty for taking away
Revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. [kjv]
και εαν τις αφελη απο των λογων του βιβλιου της προφητειας ταυτης αφελει ο θεος το μερος αυτου απο του ξυλου της ζωης και εκ της πολεως της αγιας των γεγραμμενων εν τω βιβλιω τουτω [gnt]
et si quis deminuerit de verbis libri prophetiae huius auferet Deus partem eius de ligno vitae et de civitate sancta et de his quae scripta sunt in libro isto [v]

Deletions to this book have a penalty. Who might delete from this book? Does the "hearing" part provide an escape clause?

Hopefully one "take away" from this verse is that one should not "take away" from any verse.

Consider what Jerome did when he translated the Greek into Latin in this book.

[last verses of Revelation, later changed][book, German "das Buch""the book", beach tree]

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29. Strongs - tree
*G1186 *25 δένδρον (den'-dron) : probably from drus (an oak); a tree:--tree.
Word usage per chapter Words: δενδρα=4 δενδρον=17 δενδρων=4

The ancient Greek word "δένδρον""tree" and is the source of English words starting with "dendr" such as "dendrite" (slender projection of nerve cells).

The modern Greek word "δέντρο" (THEH-dro) ≈ "tree".

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30. Usage - tree
  • *G1186 *25 δένδρον (den'-dron) : probably from drus (an oak); a tree:--tree.
  •  Usage 
     All 
    • δενδρον *17
      •   Matthew 3:10 ... unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not ...
      •   Matthew 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
      •   Matthew 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
      •   Matthew 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good ...
      •   Matthew 12:33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and ...
      •   Matthew 13:32 ... among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air ...
      •   Luke 3:9 ... unto the root of the trees: every tree therefore which bringeth ...
      •   Luke 6:43 For a good tree bringeth not forth corrupt fruit; neither doth a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
      •   Luke 6:44 For every tree is known by his own ...
      •   Luke 13:19 ... and waxed a great tree; and the fowls of the air ...
      •   Revelation 7:1 ... nor on any tree.
      •   Revelation 9:4 ... green thing, neither any tree; but only those ...
    • δενδρων *4
      •   Matthew 3:10 ... unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not ...
      •   Matthew 21:8 ... cut down branches from the trees, and strawed them in the way.
      •   Luke 3:9 ... unto the root of the trees: every tree therefore which bringeth ...
      •   Revelation 8:7 ... the earth: and the third part of trees was burnt up, and all ...
    • δενδρα *4
      •   Mark 8:24 ... I see men as trees, walking.
      •   Luke 21:29 ... the fig tree, and all the trees;
      •   Jude 1:12 ... carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice ...
      •   Revelation 7:3 ... neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants ...


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31. Rhododendron
Flower: Rhododendron

The English word "rhododendron" comes from the Latin word "rhododendron""cleander" and comes from the ancient Greek word "ῥοδόδενδρον""cleander" which comes from two Greek words. The Greek word for "rose" may be the source of the Greek island in the Aegean Sea and the main city on that island of "Ῥόδος""Rhodes".

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32. Some shallow and deep ideas about tree structures
Tree with twigs - fruit Tree with twigs - no fruit
Jesus tends to use nouns as code words.
There are many types of matches. Jesus uses the Greek word for "tree" five times in Matthew in three groups of verses.

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33. Structure comparison
Jesus shallow structure - rock Human deep structure - sand
Shallow 0 Org tree2
Vine 0 Tree with twigs - no fruit
The deep tree structure of the Temple started with Moses on the advice of Jethro. By the time of Jesus it was a huge tree of compulsive rules and regulations.

[original good cause, deep state, becomes corrupt - does it happen to trees, greedy algorithms]

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34. Equality
Both orgs 0Declaration of Independence: "All men are created equal". This is from Galatians (and other places) but always refers to "equal before God" and not "equal before humans". This distinction is often blurred by those wishing to promote worldly social change rather than or in addition to the change to which Jesus refers.

Sometimes this social change goes against rules establish by God. This almost requires that the distinction be blurred.

35. Worldly equality
Both orgs 1The world will create human hierarchical structures of power, etc.

36. Equality before God
Both orgs 2All those in the human hierarchy are not equal in the world but are still "equal before God".

37. Rock and sand
Rock and sandThe "human hierarchy" is a deep worldly house built on or of "sand".

The "Jesus hierarchy" is a shallow house built on or of "rock"

Consider the parable of the sheep and the goats. Who is represented by the "least of these"?
Consider the "houses" "built" or "edified" on "sand" and "rock".

38. Trees and fruit
Let us consider the idea of a tree - both literal and as a code word meaning. Assume that a "tree" produces or makes "fruit". Further questions:

39. Programming language domain theory
Fruit Trees

Consider the Russell Paradox. Are each of the following contradiction in terms? Can they actually exist?

40. Bertrand Russell
Warning Warning
Bertrand Russell (1872-1970) was a famous mathematician and humanist/socialist. The Russell Paradox (1901), a fundamental paradox in logic. is named after him. The Russell Paradox appears in reality in many forms.
It is interesting when people are pressed to reconcile, say, the toleration paradox, with ideas such as, say, inclusiveness, they fall back on the type system of Russell that did not resolve the logical issue. The only solution appears to be to give up on actual logic but pretend to be using logic.

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41. Short forms
Some short forms of the Russell Paradox are the following.
There is no resolution of the Russell paradox in logic, computability or information within the system under consideration. Gödel told Chaiten (by phone, Gödel avoided meeting people) that it does not matter which paradox one uses.

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42. Paradox of Trees
The Paradox of Trees in Type Theory (as often used in programming language theory) shows how overly permissive or self-referential definitions of tree structures can lead to logical contradictions.

This paradox leads to a common analogy of turtles all the way down as a way to visualize an infinite regress.


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43. Matthew 13:47-50 KP7 parable verses
The seventh kingdom parable is the harvest at the end of the age.
Matthew 13:47 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind: [kjv]
13:48 Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away. [kjv]

Verses 49 and 50 appear to be a restatement of verses 47 and 48.
13:49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, [kjv]
13:50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. [kjv]

Spider web Fish
One assumes that there are "fish" in the "net" but this is never stated. In real life, "birds", "animals" and other creatures might be caught in a "net".

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44. Matthew 13:47-50: KP7 Parable of the harvest at the end of the age
Matthew 13:47 Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind: [kjv]
13:48 Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away. [kjv]

Vessels 2
The 7th and last of the Kingdom Parables in Matthew 13 is about the (implied) fish in the sea (of humanity).
The "bad" is that of "rotten" or "putrid" or "spoiled" (e.g., fruit). The "vessels" may be reflexive. Only the "good" are "arranged", not necessarily "put", into "vessels".

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45. Matthew 13:48 Vessels
Matthew 13:48 Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away. [kjv]
ην οτε επληρωθη αναβιβασαντες επι τον αιγιαλον και καθισαντες συνελεξαν τα καλα εις αγγη τα δε σαπρα εξω εβαλον [gnt]

Vessels 6Perhaps the "rotten" do have a "vessel".

What might be the code word meaning of "vessel"?

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46. Matthew 13:48 Vessel build
Matthew 13:48 Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away. [kjv]


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The "rotten" or "bad" have been eliminated from proceeding to the next step.

The "good" are in the "ark", so to speak. Do the "good" with their "vessels" now proceed to the next step? What is than next step?

They are now on the "shore" which is a play on words with "holy". Perhaps the next step is the "wedding" "feast".

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47. Matthew 13:48-50 Rotten and good
Matthew 13:48 Which, when it was full, they drew to shore, and sat down, and gathered the good into vessels, but cast the bad away. [kjv]
ην οτε επληρωθη αναβιβασαντες επι τον αιγιαλον και καθισαντες συνελεξαν τα καλα εις αγγη τα δε σαπρα εξω εβαλον [gnt]
13:49 So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, [kjv]
ουτως εσται εν τη συντελεια του αιωνος εξελευσονται οι αγγελοι και αφοριουσιν τους πονηρους εκ μεσου των δικαιων [gnt]
13:50 And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. [kjv]
και βαλουσιν αυτους εις την καμινον του πυρος εκει εσται ο κλαυθμος και ο βρυγμος των οδοντων [gnt]

The Greek word translated as "bad" is that of "rotten". The end of the "rotten" is the "furnace" of "fire".

The ancient Greek word "σαπρός""rotten, putrid" and comes from "σήπω""make rotten, putrid". [Rodney Dangerfield, sap] The ancient Greek word "πράσον""leek" (plant).

The ancient Greek word "καλός""beautiful, good, right" and is often associated with "ἀγαθός""good, capable, trustworthy". A play on words can be "ἀγηθής""joyless" (of a person).

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48. Nets
Nets and fruit
Nets
Fruit
Discuss: The "nets" are neither "good" nor "bad". It is what is in the "nets" that are "good" or "bad".
If the "fruit" is collected (and then separated) from the "nets", are the "nets" needed?

49. Matthew 23:38-39 House of oppressed believers
Matthew 23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate. [kjv]
ιδου αφιεται υμιν ο οικος υμων [gnt]
23:39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord. [kjv]
λεγω γαρ υμιν ου μη με ιδητε απ αρτι εως αν ειπητε ευλογημενος ο ερχομενος εν ονοματι κυριου [gnt]

Paraphrase: I say to you, you will not (potentially and actually) see (with understanding) me (what I have been saying) from now until you say, blessed (as a good word, not as in happy) is the one (house of believers who you have been oppressing) who comes (to truly worship) in the name of the Lord.

As the last verse in chapter 23, this meaning fits well everything Jesus says before (in Matthew 23) and after (in Matthew 24). This is not, however, the traditional meaning of this verse. Why might that be?

When might the religious elite start to cooperate, on an equal level, with those they are (deceptively) oppressing (for their own benefit)?

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50. Houses
Houses and fruit
Houses
Fruit
Discuss: The "houses" are neither "good" nor "bad". It is what is in the "houses" that are "good" or "bad".
How does one determine if a "house" is "good" or "bad"?

If the "fruit" is collected from the "houses", are the "houses" needed?

51. Trees
Trees and fruit
Trees
Fruit
Discuss: The "trees" are neither "good" nor "bad". It is what is in the "trees" that are "good" or "bad".
How does one determine if a "tree" is "good" or "bad"? If the "fruit" is collected from the "trees", are the "trees" needed? Can all of the "trees" then be thrown into the "fire"?

52. Matthew 3:10 Root of trees
Matthew 3:10 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. [kjv]
ηδη δε η αξινη προς την ριζαν των δενδρων κειται παν ουν δενδρον μη ποιουν καρπον καλον εκκοπτεται και εις πυρ βαλλεται [gnt]

As commentary added by Matthew, John the Baptist is speaking. Neither appears to be clued into the specific code meanings used by Jesus for these words. To what does the "root" and the associated "tree" refer?

Tree with twigs - fruit Tree with twigs - no fruit

What could this "tree" refer to historically?

53. Matthew 3:10
Matthew 3:10 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. [kjv]
ηδη δε η αξινη προς την ριζαν των δενδρων κειται παν ουν δενδρον μη ποιουν καρπον καλον εκκοπτεται και εις πυρ βαλλεται [gnt]

And into and you burn

It appears that Matthew wrote down what Jesus said verbatim. When it came time to fill in the background and, in some cases, add commentary, Matthew tends to use some of the phrases that Jesus had actually stated. It is not clear that Matthew was aware of any play on words in what Jesus said since they were actual phrases with an actual literal meaning.

Some people take everything literally. Did you know that kleptomaniacs take everything literally?

54. Matthew 3:10
   Matthew 3:10 
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KJV: And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Greek: ηδη δε και η αξινη προς την ριζαν των δενδρων κειται παν ουν δενδρον μη ποιουν καρπον καλον εκκοπτεται και εις πυρ βαλλεται

55. Matthew 7:17-20 Verses
Matthew 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. [kjv]
ουτως παν δενδρον αγαθον καρπους καλους ποιει το δε σαπρον δενδρον καρπους πονηρους ποιει [gnt]
7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. [kjv]
ου δυναται δενδρον αγαθον καρπους πονηρους ενεγκειν ουδε δενδρον σαπρον καρπους καλους ποιειν [gnt]
7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. [kjv]
παν δενδρον μη ποιουν καρπον καλον εκκοπτεται και εις πυρ βαλλεται [gnt]
7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. [kjv]
αραγε απο των καρπων αυτων επιγνωσεσθε αυτους [gnt]


56. Matthew 7:17 Statements
Matthew 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. [kjv]
ουτως παν δενδρον αγαθον καρπους καλους ποιει το δε σαπρον δενδρον καρπους πονηρους ποιει [gnt]

Before continuing, let us look at this verse that starts the sequence. Is this verse a statement of reality? What is the domain of "every"? The "bringeth forth" is that of "make". Jesus does not use the word "make" in a good sense. Since the statements appear to have issues, perhaps they are intended as questions.

57. Matthew 7:17 Questions
Matthew 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. [kjv]
ουτως παν δενδρον αγαθον καρπους καλους ποιει το δε σαπρον δενδρον καρπους πονηρους ποιει [gnt]

The verse starts with the Greek word for "therefore" is a conclusion from what was just said. The domain of "all" may be the domain of what was just said. Here is a paraphrase of this verse as questions which would be the exact same words but with the voice raised at the end. From this, should you be concerned about the "all", just mentioned, being deceptive, as in a "hypocrite", in "pretending" to "make" "good/tasty" "fruit"? What was just mentioned?

58. Matthew 7:17 Hypocrites
Matthew 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. [kjv]
ουτως παν δενδρον αγαθον καρπους καλους ποιει το δε σαπρον δενδρον καρπους πονηρους ποιει [gnt]

Would a deceptive hypocrite want you to think that these are rules to determine between "good" and "rotten" "trees"? And they will certainly let you know the criteria on which to make this outer judgment. They may even offer to provide you with the next steps.

Let us look at the context of the preceding verse and then the verse preceding that.

59. Matthew 7:16 Observation of fruit inspection
Matthew 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? [kjv]
απο των καρπων αυτων επιγνωσεσθε αυτους μητι συλλεγουσιν απο ακανθων σταφυλας η απο τριβολων συκα [gnt]

Who is "them"? Who is "their"? The ancient Greek word "ἀπο""away from" and which has an idea of a "separating distance". What is the difference in what is known? Might this verse be a question rather than a statement? That is, the same words but voice raised at the end.

As questions: Away/apart from the fruit of them, will you know them? Neither gather they away from thorns grapes or away from thistles figs?

There are three Greek words that appear not to have been translated as well as part of another word. Might these be important?

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60. Matthew 7:18 Carry forth
Matthew 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. [kjv]
ου δυναται δενδρον αγαθον καρπους πονηρους ενεγκειν ουδε δενδρον σαπρον καρπους καλους ποιειν [gnt]

Carry and in having

A "good" "tree" does "not" "carry" or "have" "in" it "rotten" "fruit".

Note that some Greek manuscripts have "make" or "cause" rather than "carry".

61. Matthew 7:19 Cut down
Matthew 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. [kjv]
παν δενδρον μη ποιουν καρπον καλον εκκοπτεται και εις πυρ βαλλεται [gnt]

Twig and fruit

A "tree" represents the human infrastructure of a human organization.

If the "good" "fruit" is taken off a "tree", can the "tree" then be "burnt"?

What happens if you have no "fruit" and are just a "twig" and still attached to the "tree"?

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62. Matthew 7:19 Fire
Matthew 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. [kjv]
παν δενδρον μη ποιουν καρπον καλον εκκοπτεται και εις πυρ βαλλεται [gnt]

FlameThe Greek word for "red" is related to the ancient Greek word "πῦρ""fire" which is from the PIE (Proto Indo-European) root "*PEHWR""fire" and is related to the English word "fire" through Grimm's Law.
The English word "pyre" comes from the Latin word "pyre""funeral pyre" which comes from the ancient Greek word "πυρά""funeral pyre" which comes from "πῦρ""fire". How do we know that a "fire" is burning? Who is burning in a "fire"?

Greek (order used): ... and into (a) fire thrown. (play on words)
English: ... and thrown into (a) fire. (no play on words)
Greek (order not used): ... and thrown into (a) fire. (no play on words)

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63. Matthew 7:19 Thrown into the fire
Matthew 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. [kjv]
παν δενδρον μη ποιουν καρπον καλον εκκοπτεται και εις πυρ βαλλεται [gnt]

Greek: ... and into (a) fire thrown. (play on words)
Greek: ... and thrown into (a) fire. (no play on words)
English: ... and thrown into (a) fire. (no play on words)

And into and you burn


64. Matthew 7:19 Trees and fire
Matthew 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. [kjv]
παν δενδρον μη ποιουν καρπον καλον εκκοπτεται και εις πυρ βαλλεται [gnt]

Tree with twigs - no fruit Twig and fruit Tree with twigs - fruit

Discuss:

65. Matthew 7:20 Fruits and twigs
Matthew 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. [kjv]
αραγε απο των καρπων αυτων επιγνωσεσθε αυτους [gnt]

Therefore and not raca

Fruit and twig


66. Matthew 7:17 Trees
Matthew 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. [kjv]
ουτως παν δενδρον αγαθον καρπους καλους ποιει το δε σαπρον δενδρον καρπους πονηρους ποιει [gnt]

Tree with twigs - fruit
The ancient Greek word "δένδρον""tree". The Bible in general and Jesus in particular use the word for "tree" as the human infrastructure of an empire or organization. A "bird" can "reside" in a "tree".
Vine 0 Vine 2

By contrast, grapes grow on a vine and are not trees. A vine can appear as a tree given proper trellising.

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67. Matthew 7:13 Paraphrase
Matthew 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: [kjv]
εισελθατε δια της στενης πυλης οτι πλατεια και ευρυχωρος η οδος η απαγουσα εις την απωλειαν και πολλοι εισιν οι εισερχομενοι δι αυτης [gnt]

Paraphrase. Go/come in through the [way of life] narrow gate [cave] seeing that wide [the ships] and broad [good calling] the path that leads away [devotion] into the loss/destruction and many there are who go/come in [into works remain]through it

7:13 to the right  Go /come in through the [way of life] narrow/tight gate [cave]
7:13 to the left   seeing that wide [the ships] and broad [good calling] the path
7:13 to the left   that leads away [devotion] into the loss (from doing good)
7:13 to the left   and many there are who go/come in [into works remain]
7:13 to the left   through it.



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68. Matthew 7:14 Paraphrase
Matthew 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. [kjv]
οτι στενη η πυλη και τεθλιμμενη η οδος η απαγουσα εις την ζωην και ολιγοι εισιν οι ευρισκοντες αυτην [gnt]

Paraphrase. Seeing that narrow (is) the gate [clay/sand] and scattered [but cattle] the path that leads away into the life and few there are who find it

7:14 to the right  seeing that narrow/tight (is) the gate [clay/sand]
7:14 to the right  and scattered [but cattle feeding] the path that leads away [devotion]
7:14 to the left   into the life (as a wolf/bird inside as a sheep)
7:14 to the right  and few [I burn wolves/birds] there are
7:14 to the right  who will find it.



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69. Matthew 7:15 Warning
Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. [kjv]
προσεχετε απο των ψευδοπροφητων οιτινες ερχονται προς υμας εν ενδυμασιν προβατων εσωθεν δε εισιν λυκοι αρπαγες [gnt]

Fruit 1
Can you determine what is inside from what you see outside?

How are we to understand this verse?
Are there any examples we can use? What is the nature of the "wolf"? Has it ever happened that a wolf-dog posing as sheep-dog will claim that someone coming in to point out the truth is the real wolf-dog and a threat to the congregation?

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70. Matthew 7:15 Sheep dogs and wolf dogs
Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. [kjv]
προσεχετε απο των ψευδοπροφητων οιτινες ερχονται προς υμας εν ενδυμασιν προβατων εσωθεν δε εισιν λυκοι αρπαγες [gnt]

Dogs are known as man's best friend. The dog breed is related to the wolf breed and can interbreed. Two dogs may appear similar, but one may be a sheep dog and another a wolf dog.
Jesus warns of this. It might be important and useful to distinguish these types of dogs.

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71. Matthew 7:15
Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. [kjv]

What happens if a wold-dog deceives using these verses? That is, changes questions into statements and then claims verification/validation that they are making a good tree (so they are good)? How good will those sheep feel about what they have been doing to support their "tree" for the wolf-dog?

72. Matthew 7:21-23
Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. [kjv]
7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? [kjv]
7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. [kjv]

These three verses seem somewhat out of place at the end of the Sermon on the Mount, right before the summary of the houses on rock and sand.

Trying to connect these verses in sequence can lead to some strange results. If one puts then in the context of the TenWordPin model, they can make more sense.

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73. Matthew 7:21-23 Sermon on the Mount before the summary
Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. [kjv]
7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? [kjv]
7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. [kjv]

There is a surprise waiting. The verses for the "houses" built on "rock" and on "sand" follow which end the Sermon on the Mount. If one is not of God, can one actually "cast out" "devils" since that would "divide" the "house" (built on sand)? The Greek word for "profess" is that of "agree" as in "same reasoning" and often translated as "confess".

In the TenWordPin model, this sequence of three verses completes four verses after the Beatitudes and the first sequence of seven.

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74. Matthew 12:33 Good and rotten trees
Matthew 12:33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit. [kjv]
η ποιησατε το δενδρον καλον και τον καρπον αυτου καλον η ποιησατε το δενδρον σαπρον και τον καρπον αυτου σαπρον εκ γαρ του καρπου το δενδρον γινωσκεται [gnt]

Tree with twigs - fruit Tree with twigs - no fruit
It's a tree, wooden you know! Let's make like a tree and get out of here.

75. Matthew 12:33 Good and rotten trees
Matthew 12:33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit. [kjv]
η ποιησατε το δενδρον καλον και τον καρπον αυτου καλον η ποιησατε το δενδρον σαπρον και τον καρπον αυτου σαπρον εκ γαρ του καρπου το δενδρον γινωσκεται [gnt]

Beautiful and raca Rotten and made in clay Fruit and twig

What is the information content? Whose POV (Point of View) is being used?

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76. Matthew 12:33 Good and rotten trees
Matthew 12:33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit. [kjv]
η ποιησατε το δενδρον καλον και τον καρπον αυτου καλον η ποιησατε το δενδρον σαπρον και τον καρπον αυτου σαπρον εκ γαρ του καρπου το δενδρον γινωσκεται [gnt]

Tree with twigs - fruit Tree with twigs - no fruit
Notice that the Latin uses the same word for the Greek "rotten" "fruit" in verse 33 and for "evil" man in verse 35. It is reasonable to assume that if Jesus intended these two be the same, Matthew would have used the same Greek word in each verse.
A mountain represents an empire. A tree represents the human infrastructure of an empire. The root of the tree represents the human leader. In computer science, a single person would be a (degenerate) tree structure. That is, a tree with no branches and one leaf - the root of the (degenerate) tree.

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77. Matthew 12:33 Good and rotten fruit
Matthew 12:33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit. [kjv]
η ποιησατε το δενδρον καλον και τον καρπον αυτου καλον η ποιησατε το δενδρον σαπρον και τον καρπον αυτου σαπρον εκ γαρ του καρπου το δενδρον γινωσκεται [gnt]

Assume that the "tree" represents a human hierarchy as in a religious establishment such as the one Jesus is addressing. Here are the choices provided. This verse would not need to be said unless something else were happening.

It appears that the "rotten" "tree" was trying to make the fruit appear as "good" fruit. Why would a "good" "tree" try to make the fruit appear as "rotten"? Might any "idle words" used to make the fruit appear "good" need an "accounting"?

Jesus is the "vine" and we are the "branches" (of the vine, not the tree).

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78. Matthew 12:33 Good and rotten fruit
Matthew 12:33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit. [kjv]
η ποιησατε το δενδρον καλον και τον καρπον αυτου καλον η ποιησατε το δενδρον σαπρον και τον καρπον αυτου σαπρον εκ γαρ του καρπου το δενδρον γινωσκεται [gnt]

The statement "The tree is known by its fruit." is an ambiguous statement based on the viewpoint of who "knows" or "infers" what.

Fruit inside and outside
From computability theory, it may not be possible to always determine in all cases if the inside is "good" or "rotten". An "accounting" may be necessary for "idle words" so that a decision procedure can be used to resolve ambiguities.

The Greek word for "fruit" is masculine and takes the grammatical gender of "his".

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79. Matthew 12:33 Questionable statement
Matthew 12:33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit. [kjv]
η ποιησατε το δενδρον καλον και τον καρπον αυτου καλον η ποιησατε το δενδρον σαπρον και τον καρπον αυτου σαπρον εκ γαρ του καρπου το δενδρον γινωσκεται [gnt]

Can one always know the tree, good or rotten, by the fruit? A question allows a yes or no answer. A statement requires a yes answer.

Discuss: Which translation, statement or question, might the church (historically) prefer?

Let us look ahead to verses with this questionable construct.

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80. Matthew 12:34
Matthew 12:34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh. [kjv]
γεννηματα εχιδνων πως δυνασθε αγαθα λαλειν πονηροι οντες εκ γαρ του περισσευματος της καρδιας το στομα λαλει [gnt]

Can one always know the heart, good or evil, by what one speaks? A question allows a yes or no answer. A statement requires a yes answer.

Does not Jesus often call the religious establishment "hypocrites" as in pretending or acting? The Greek definition of "hypocrite" means that you "think" in your "heart" one thing and "say" another. How can then one know about the "heart" from what one "says"?

Discuss: Which translation, statement or question, might the church (historically) prefer?

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81. Matthew 12:37
Matthew 12:37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned. [kjv]
εκ γαρ των λογων σου δικαιωθηση και εκ των λογων σου καταδικασθηση [gnt]

A question allows a yes or no answer. A statement requires a yes answer. A question allows a yes or no answer. A statement requires a yes answer.

Is one justified or condemned by one's reasoning (alone)? Does it matter what one actually says or does? How does one do or not do the will of the Father by one's reasoning?

Discuss: Which translation, statement or question, might the church (historically) prefer?

In the next verse, the religious elite will "answer" what Jesus said. Did Jesus ask a question? This verse can be taken as a question.

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82. Matthew 12:34 Generations
Matthew 12:34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh. [kjv]
γεννηματα εχιδνων πως δυνασθε αγαθα λαλειν πονηροι οντες εκ γαρ του περισσευματος της καρδιας το στομα λαλει [gnt]

Generation/fruit (of) vipers and generatinos vain/futile grain rubbers

The grain rubbing might relate to the beginning of the chapter and the disciples picking and eating grain in the field.

The ancient Greek word "μάταιος""vain, futile, empty, worthless".

The ancient Greek word "γενεά""birth, race, generation, offspring".

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83. Fruit storage
Nets and fruit It's a net. Did you catch that? How about next time?
Houses and fruit It's a house. How's that again?
Trees and fruit It's a tree. Wouldn't you know? Don't be rude?
Heads and fruit It's a head. Do you need a heads up to get ahead? Have you heard?


84. Comparison
Nets and fruit Caught in the net.
House Members of the house.
Tree Fruit of the tree.
Head Hairs of the head.

In each case, what might be the decision procedure for deciding if the inside is "good" or "rotten"?

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85. Matthew and Luke

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Luke records and correctly reports what people remembered as to the meaning of what Jesus said, sometimes using other words. This often loses the additional meanings as recorded in Matthew.

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86. Differences
Many of the differences between Matthew and Luke can be explained by the context in which each was written.

87. Matthew 7:24
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KJV: Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
Greek: πας ουν οστις ακουει μου τους λογους τουτους και ποιει αυτους ομοιωσω αυτον ομοιωθησεται ανδρι φρονιμω οστις ωκοδομησεν αυτου την οικιαν αυτου επι την πετραν

88. Matthew 7:25
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KJV: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
Greek: και κατεβη η βροχη και ηλθον ηλθαν οι ποταμοι και επνευσαν οι ανεμοι και προσεπεσον προσεπεσαν τη οικια εκεινη και ουκ επεσεν τεθεμελιωτο γαρ επι την πετραν

89. House built on rock
House on rock wordsThe rain, rivers and wind beat on the house, not the foundation of rock.

The house did not fall.

90. Matthew 7:26
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KJV: And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
Greek: και πας ο ακουων μου τους λογους τουτους και μη ποιων αυτους ομοιωθησεται ανδρι μωρω οστις ωκοδομησεν αυτου την οικιαν αυτου επι την αμμον

91. Matthew 7:27
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KJV: And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
Greek: και κατεβη η βροχη και ηλθον ηλθαν οι ποταμοι και επνευσαν οι ανεμοι και προσεκοψαν τη οικια εκεινη και επεσεν και ην η πτωσις αυτης μεγαλη
Latin: et descendit pluvia et venerunt flumina et flaverunt venti et inruerunt in domum illam et cecidit et fuit ruina eius magna
Wessex: Þa rinde hyt. & þaer com flod. & bleowen windes. & aruren on þt hus. & þt hus feol. & his ryre waes mychel.
Russian: и пошел дождь, и разлились реки, и подули ветры, и налегли на дом тот; и он упал, и было падение его великое.

92. Flood of rivers

93. Bias
For some reason, the KJV (King James Version) and many English versions translate "rivers" as "floods", possibly assuming that the corresponding word in the corresponding verse in Luke should be used as the word here.

94. Luke 6:48
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KJV: He is like a man which built an house, and digged deep, and laid the foundation on a rock: and when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently upon that house, and could not shake it: for it was founded upon a rock.
Greek: ομοιος εστιν ανθρωπω οικοδομουντι οικιαν ος εσκαψεν και εβαθυνεν και εθηκεν θεμελιον επι την πετραν πλημμυρας πλημμυρης δε γενομενης προσερρηξεν προσερηξεν ο ποταμος τη οικια εκεινη και ουκ ισχυσεν σαλευσαι αυτην τεθεμελιωτο γαρ επι την πετραν δια το καλως οικοδομησθαι αυτην

95. Floods
Luke uses the Greek word for "floods" here.

In many "floods", many structures are destroyed and removed from their place.

96. Luke 6:49
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KJV: But he that heareth, and doeth not, is like a man that without a foundation built an house upon the earth; against which the stream did beat vehemently, and immediately it fell; and the ruin of that house was great.
Greek: ο δε ακουσας και μη ποιησας ομοιος εστιν ανθρωπω οικοδομησαντι οικιαν επι την γην χωρις θεμελιου η προσερρηξεν προσερηξεν ο ποταμος και ευθεως επεσεν ευθυς συνεπεσεν και εγενετο το ρηγμα της οικιας εκεινης μεγα
In the above verse, Matthew uses "sand" while Luke uses "earth". Luke uses the Matthew word for "rivers" translated here as "stream".

The "without a foundation" is not in Matthew. This house is not on "sand". It is on "earth". Can you imagine a "stream" (a very small river) beating on a "house"?

97. Rainfall and floods
How much rainfall and flooding were common to this arid area of Judea when Jesus spoke this parable?

Many English translators appear to have made assumptions that since the river destroyed the house, it must have risen as a flood, as if there is no other way for this to happen (symbolically, etc.).

That is a danger with making unnecessary assumptions in a translation.

98. Bias
This appears to be a place where theologians decided to deliberately translate a word in a way that is not the common definition of that word and that word thereupon gets placed in the Bible dictionary (e.g., Strongs) as a definition of that word. People then use that dictionary and say, see here, that is the definition of that word. This is a form of circular reasoning.

99. House built in sand
House on sand wordsThe rain, rivers and wind beat on the house, not the foundation of sand.

The house fell and the fall was great.

100. House and foundation
House wordsIt is interesting in the verses in Matthew that the rain, floods and wind beat on the house and not on the foundation.

Whatever the foundation, any model for this parable should account for the rain, rivers and wind beating on the house and not on the foundation.

101. Alternative idea
If the parable were, in fact, of a house built of rock and a house built of sand, would that make any difference in the interpretation of the parable?

102. Foundations
There are two foundations.

103. The ambiguous rock
Matthew 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. [kjv]
καγω δε σοι λεγω οτι συ ει πετρος και επι ταυτη τη πετρα οικοδομησω μου την εκκλησιαν και πυλαι αδου ου κατισχυσουσιν αυτης [gnt]
Petruspetramecclesiam … [v]

The body gestures and non-verbal communication are not in the text. Thus, the statement is ambiguous. Is Peter the "rock" on which the church of Jesus was to be built? Is it the "rock" of the statement of faith by Peter. Is it both?

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104. Matthew 16:18

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KJV: And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
Greek: καγω δε σοι λεγω οτι συ ει πετρος και επι ταυτη τη πετρα οικοδομησω μου την εκκλησιαν και πυλαι αδου ου κατισχυσουσιν αυτης
Latin: et ego dico tibi quia tu es Petrus et super hanc petram aedificabo ecclesiam meam et portae inferi non praevalebunt adversum eam

105. Peter
The modern Greek word "οίκος" (EE-kos) ≈ "house" used in the parable of the houses built on rock and on sand is the root of the modern Greek word "οικοδομήσω" (ee-ko-tho-MEE-so) ≈ "build" used in the above verse.

106. Christ as the rock
1 Corinthians 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. [kjv]
και παντες το αυτο πνευματικον επιον πομα επινον γαρ εκ πνευματικης ακολουθουσης πετρας η πετρα δε ην ο χριστος [gnt]
spiritalipetra petra … [v]

What does Paul say about the identity of the "rock"?

In the "spiritual Rock", Paul appears to be referring to the "Shekinah glory", a topic for another time.

The Latin word "spiritali""spiritual, spirit".


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107. Sand
The other foundation is sand.

108. Proverbs 27:3 Sand
Proverbs 27:3 A stone is heavy, and the sand weighty; but a fool's wrath is heavier than them both. [kjv]
βαρυ λιθος και δυσβαστακτον αμμος οργη δε αφρονος βαρυτερα αμφοτερων [lxx]
piedraarena … [es]



SandSand is a granular material consisting of many materials but usually contains a lot of silicon. Sand shifts easily and is not a stable foundation on which to build.
The modern Greek word "άμμος" (AM-mos) ≈ "sand, dust" and is related to the modern Greek word "άμαθος" (A-ma-thos) ≈ "sand, dust".

The English phrase "shifting sand" has to do with something not being as stable as one might be expect - due to unforeseen (sometimes chaotic) changes (as with the wind or storms).

The Latin word "arena""sand, arena" as gladiator combatants fought each other on a sand floor in on open area with spectators.

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109. Sand
The LXX sometimes uses "sand" as "dust".

In Genesis 13:16 God make a promise to Abraham.

110. Genesis 13:16
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KJV: And I will make thy seed as the dust of the earth: so that if a man can number the dust of the earth, then shall thy seed also be numbered.
Hebrew: ושמתי את זרעך כעפר הארץ אשר אם יוכל איש למנות את עפר הארץ גם זרעך ימנה׃
Greek: και ποιησω το σπερμα σου ως την αμμον της γης ει δυναται τις εξαριθμησαι την αμμον της γης και το σπερμα σου εξαριθμηθησεται
Latin: faciamque semen tuum sicut pulverem terrae si quis potest hominum numerare pulverem semen quoque tuum numerare poterit

111. Sand as dust
In many places in the LXX The modern Greek word "άμμος" (AM-mos) ≈ "sand, dust" is translated as "dust" which comes from the Hebrew word "עפר" (apar) ≈ "dust". עפר - dust

112. Isaiah 10:22
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KJV: For though thy people Israel be as the sand of the sea, yet a remnant of them shall return: the consumption decreed shall overflow with righteousness.
Hebrew: כי אם יהיה עמך ישראל כחול הים שאר ישוב בו כליון חרוץ שוטף צדקה׃
Greek: και εαν γενηται ο λαος ισραηλ ως η αμμος της θαλασσης το καταλειμμα αυτων σωθησεται λογον γαρ συντελων και συντεμνων εν δικαιοσυνη
Wycliffe: Forwhi, Israel, if thi puple is as the grauel of the see, the relifs schulen be turned therof; an endyng maad schort schal make riytfulnesse to be plenteuouse.

113. Jesus
Jesus often refers to himself as the "son of man" which in Hebrew is also saying "son of Adam" or "son of dirt" (or dust or, in this case, sand) .

114. Human organizations
Is it possible to build a house, as in the "house of Israel" on "sand" or "dust" or human beings?

This happens all the times in human hierarchical organizations such as some (large organized) churches, governments, etc.

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115. Granite
A common type of rock is "granite" which comes from the Latin word "granum""grain".

116. Mark 4:31
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KJV: It is like a grain of mustard seed, which, when it is sown in the earth, is less than all the seeds that be in the earth:
Greek: ως κοκκω σιναπεως ος οταν σπαρη επι της γης μικροτερος μικροτερον ον παντων των σπερματων εστιν των επι της γης
Latin: sicut granum sinapis quod cum seminatum fuerit in terra minus est omnibus seminibus quae sunt in terra

117. Mark 4:32
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KJV: But when it is sown, it groweth up, and becometh greater than all herbs, and shooteth out great branches; so that the fowls of the air may lodge under the shadow of it.
Greek: και οταν σπαρη αναβαινει και γινεται μειζον παντων των λαχανων μειζων και ποιει κλαδους μεγαλους ωστε δυνασθαι υπο την σκιαν αυτου τα πετεινα του ουρανου κατασκηνουν κατασκηνοιν
Latin: et cum seminatum fuerit ascendit et fit maius omnibus holeribus et facit ramos magnos ita ut possint sub umbra eius aves caeli habitare

118. Parable
In the above parable, the grains (believers, small group churches) become a big tree (hierarchy, big organized church) such that the birds (evil ones, non-believers) come and nest (reside and live) in the shadow of it.

Great branches are the sign of a tree (empire with a leader) and not a vine (with small branches close to the main vine branch).

119. Sand
Sand consist of many tiny grains.

Sand is produced by breaking "granite" into very small pieces.

120. Images
Just as (small) man is made in the image of (a big and great) God, so too, (small) sand particles are made in the image of (a big and large) granite rock.

A grain of sand is, so to speak, a "chip off the old block". In terms of silicon, that chip might be a microchip.

121. Elements
There are three elements.

122. Rivers
In John, we have the concept of "rivers" and living "water" from the "wind" of the Holy Spirit.

Such are beneficial to a house built on the "rock".

123. John 7:38
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KJV: He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
Greek: ο πιστευων εις εμε καθως ειπεν η γραφη ποταμοι εκ της κοιλιας αυτου ρευσουσιν υδατος ζωντος

124. John 7:39
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KJV: (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified. )
Greek: τουτο δε ειπεν περι του πνευματος ου ο εμελλον λαμβανειν οι πιστευοντες πιστευσαντες εις αυτον ουπω γαρ ην πνευμα αγιον οτι ο ιησους ουδεπω ουπω εδοξασθη

125. Revelation 16:4
Revelation 16:4 And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood. [kjv]
και ο τριτος εξεχεεν την φιαλην αυτου εις τους ποταμους και τας πηγας των υδατων και εγενετο αιμα [gnt]

What type of "rivers" and "water" could cause a house built on "sand" to collapse?

Could such "rivers" and "water" that cause destruction from the "wind" of the Holy Spirit? How about the corresponding Avenger of Blood?

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126. Holy Spirit
The Holy Spirit as often referred to in terms of "water" (rain from heaven) or "wind" (John 3 with Nicodemus) and, with a lot of water, it could be a flood (analogies to the flood of Noah and the end times cataclysms described in Revelation).

Any actions by the Holy Spirit on a house built on the Rock (Jesus) would not cause any issues as that house in united as three in one (the Trinity).

For more information, see the following: Addition: mathematical dimensions of the TrinityAny actions by the Holy Spirit on a house built on sand (people in general) could cause division (from the truth). Since Jesus says "a house divided cannot stand", a house (human government, economy, etc.) built on the people (as sand in the analogy) could not stand and the fall of that infrastructure and house could be great.

For more information on division and divide and conquer, see the following: Divide and conquer or be conquered

For more information on human systems rebelling, see the following: Psalms 2: 1-12 Self-reference of robots and humans rebelling

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